▲ 1723 ▼ New EU law requires devices to be repairable - Every phone, television or washing machine you buy in Europe must be easier to repair starting tomorrow. That’s when the European Right to Repair Act takes effect (www.nporadio1.nl) submitted 3 months ago by inari@piefed.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 252 comments fedilink hide all child comments The products covered by the obligation to repair currently include: washing machines and washer-dryers dishwashers refrigerators electronic displays welding equipment servers and data storage products mobile phones, cordless phones and tablets tumble dryers e-bikes and e-scooters batteries (from 18 February 2027) local space heaters
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -84 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (28 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 82 points 3 months ago (1 child) Are we talking about the same apple that invented a new type of screw to keep people from taking their phones apart? The same apple that once people could get a trilobe driver, then made it so that generic replacement screens would not work because of some protection from non-apple hardware? Then went on to make sure that you can't use non-apple parts in a laptop? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] testaccount372920@piefed.zip 32 points 3 months ago (4 children) Super easy to repair by certified repair shops or easy to repair by people at home with minimal tool requirements? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] testaccount372920@piefed.zip 8 points 3 months ago (2 children) Not bad by the standards of modern phones, but hopefully not good enough for the new EU standards. Imo adhesives should only be used if they're replaceable or reusable and the screws should be limited to philips and flatheads. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago* PH screws can go to hell, they fucking suck I hate them. Flathead is just kind of annoying. Torx all the way, they are superior in every way. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] lime@feddit.nu 54 points 3 months ago (12 children) the same apple that locks individual parts of devices to user accounts so that they can't be used for repair? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (6 children) Sounds like this is to prevent theft for parts. Considering it says right there that parts can be unlocked with the user's account. So it's the same mechanism that makes a stolen iPhone non-functional unless unlocked by the user. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) sure but what if you buy one for parts? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) Ask the previous owner to remove the locking, same way as they would need to if you bought the device to use it. What's the problem? Again, says right there they should just remove the device from ‘Find my’, which disables Activation Lock, the very same feature that prevents theft for reselling the device for regular use. Instead of using Repair Assistant to unlock the part, you can remove Activation Lock using Find My. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) what if the phone is broken and has been disassembled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) The internet doesn't stop existing when your phone breaks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) no but i'm not talking about me. i'm talking about tyler, 27, who just gets a new phone and doesn't care about whatever accounts the old one had, so he throws it away and now the parts are available at a repair shop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) From Apple's side, this situation is indistinguishable from the phone having been stolen. P.S. Although maybe there's a way to learn to what account a part is locked, and write to them 'hey bro, could you please unlock this phone you threw away'. Then again, the repair shop also can't know that the phone wasn't stolen. permalink fedilink source parent [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 16 points 3 months ago (3 children) ...but only if you buy the parts new. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 10 points 3 months ago i'm perfectly fine with buying third-party components. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago Not an option if you love somewhere where official parts are not for sale. permalink fedilink source parent [–] melfie@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago (1 child) /s? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 months ago (5 children) I have to admit that I haven't checked ifix scores for a hot minute and am surprised that since the iphone 15 Apple consistently beats all other big brands in reparability score. Before that of course they were bad, which is probably why people remember them that way. I like that trend, hopefully Samsung and Google also hop on that bandwaggon any time soon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago* (1 child) I don't think they have a problem with the ifixit scores, more with the words you have chosen to convey your message. Also of course you will not find any love for Big Tech in the Fediverse ;-) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Personally I downvoted you because you completely forgive/forget the older devices from Apple. They had sold approximately 2.2 billions of impossible to repair devices before they kind of changed course with the iPhone 14 line. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 82 points 3 months ago (1 child) Are we talking about the same apple that invented a new type of screw to keep people from taking their phones apart? The same apple that once people could get a trilobe driver, then made it so that generic replacement screens would not work because of some protection from non-apple hardware? Then went on to make sure that you can't use non-apple parts in a laptop? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] testaccount372920@piefed.zip 32 points 3 months ago (4 children) Super easy to repair by certified repair shops or easy to repair by people at home with minimal tool requirements? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] testaccount372920@piefed.zip 8 points 3 months ago (2 children) Not bad by the standards of modern phones, but hopefully not good enough for the new EU standards. Imo adhesives should only be used if they're replaceable or reusable and the screws should be limited to philips and flatheads. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago* PH screws can go to hell, they fucking suck I hate them. Flathead is just kind of annoying. Torx all the way, they are superior in every way. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] testaccount372920@piefed.zip 8 points 3 months ago (2 children) Not bad by the standards of modern phones, but hopefully not good enough for the new EU standards. Imo adhesives should only be used if they're replaceable or reusable and the screws should be limited to philips and flatheads. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago* PH screws can go to hell, they fucking suck I hate them. Flathead is just kind of annoying. Torx all the way, they are superior in every way. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] testaccount372920@piefed.zip 8 points 3 months ago (2 children) Not bad by the standards of modern phones, but hopefully not good enough for the new EU standards. Imo adhesives should only be used if they're replaceable or reusable and the screws should be limited to philips and flatheads. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago* PH screws can go to hell, they fucking suck I hate them. Flathead is just kind of annoying. Torx all the way, they are superior in every way. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago* PH screws can go to hell, they fucking suck I hate them. Flathead is just kind of annoying. Torx all the way, they are superior in every way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 54 points 3 months ago (12 children) the same apple that locks individual parts of devices to user accounts so that they can't be used for repair? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (6 children) Sounds like this is to prevent theft for parts. Considering it says right there that parts can be unlocked with the user's account. So it's the same mechanism that makes a stolen iPhone non-functional unless unlocked by the user. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) sure but what if you buy one for parts? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) Ask the previous owner to remove the locking, same way as they would need to if you bought the device to use it. What's the problem? Again, says right there they should just remove the device from ‘Find my’, which disables Activation Lock, the very same feature that prevents theft for reselling the device for regular use. Instead of using Repair Assistant to unlock the part, you can remove Activation Lock using Find My. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) what if the phone is broken and has been disassembled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) The internet doesn't stop existing when your phone breaks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) no but i'm not talking about me. i'm talking about tyler, 27, who just gets a new phone and doesn't care about whatever accounts the old one had, so he throws it away and now the parts are available at a repair shop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) From Apple's side, this situation is indistinguishable from the phone having been stolen. P.S. Although maybe there's a way to learn to what account a part is locked, and write to them 'hey bro, could you please unlock this phone you threw away'. Then again, the repair shop also can't know that the phone wasn't stolen. permalink fedilink source parent [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 16 points 3 months ago (3 children) ...but only if you buy the parts new. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 10 points 3 months ago i'm perfectly fine with buying third-party components. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago Not an option if you love somewhere where official parts are not for sale. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (6 children) Sounds like this is to prevent theft for parts. Considering it says right there that parts can be unlocked with the user's account. So it's the same mechanism that makes a stolen iPhone non-functional unless unlocked by the user. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) sure but what if you buy one for parts? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) Ask the previous owner to remove the locking, same way as they would need to if you bought the device to use it. What's the problem? Again, says right there they should just remove the device from ‘Find my’, which disables Activation Lock, the very same feature that prevents theft for reselling the device for regular use. Instead of using Repair Assistant to unlock the part, you can remove Activation Lock using Find My. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) what if the phone is broken and has been disassembled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) The internet doesn't stop existing when your phone breaks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) no but i'm not talking about me. i'm talking about tyler, 27, who just gets a new phone and doesn't care about whatever accounts the old one had, so he throws it away and now the parts are available at a repair shop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) From Apple's side, this situation is indistinguishable from the phone having been stolen. P.S. Although maybe there's a way to learn to what account a part is locked, and write to them 'hey bro, could you please unlock this phone you threw away'. Then again, the repair shop also can't know that the phone wasn't stolen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) sure but what if you buy one for parts? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) Ask the previous owner to remove the locking, same way as they would need to if you bought the device to use it. What's the problem? Again, says right there they should just remove the device from ‘Find my’, which disables Activation Lock, the very same feature that prevents theft for reselling the device for regular use. Instead of using Repair Assistant to unlock the part, you can remove Activation Lock using Find My. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) what if the phone is broken and has been disassembled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) The internet doesn't stop existing when your phone breaks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) no but i'm not talking about me. i'm talking about tyler, 27, who just gets a new phone and doesn't care about whatever accounts the old one had, so he throws it away and now the parts are available at a repair shop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) From Apple's side, this situation is indistinguishable from the phone having been stolen. P.S. Although maybe there's a way to learn to what account a part is locked, and write to them 'hey bro, could you please unlock this phone you threw away'. Then again, the repair shop also can't know that the phone wasn't stolen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) Ask the previous owner to remove the locking, same way as they would need to if you bought the device to use it. What's the problem? Again, says right there they should just remove the device from ‘Find my’, which disables Activation Lock, the very same feature that prevents theft for reselling the device for regular use. Instead of using Repair Assistant to unlock the part, you can remove Activation Lock using Find My. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) what if the phone is broken and has been disassembled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) The internet doesn't stop existing when your phone breaks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) no but i'm not talking about me. i'm talking about tyler, 27, who just gets a new phone and doesn't care about whatever accounts the old one had, so he throws it away and now the parts are available at a repair shop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) From Apple's side, this situation is indistinguishable from the phone having been stolen. P.S. Although maybe there's a way to learn to what account a part is locked, and write to them 'hey bro, could you please unlock this phone you threw away'. Then again, the repair shop also can't know that the phone wasn't stolen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) what if the phone is broken and has been disassembled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) The internet doesn't stop existing when your phone breaks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) no but i'm not talking about me. i'm talking about tyler, 27, who just gets a new phone and doesn't care about whatever accounts the old one had, so he throws it away and now the parts are available at a repair shop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) From Apple's side, this situation is indistinguishable from the phone having been stolen. P.S. Although maybe there's a way to learn to what account a part is locked, and write to them 'hey bro, could you please unlock this phone you threw away'. Then again, the repair shop also can't know that the phone wasn't stolen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) The internet doesn't stop existing when your phone breaks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) no but i'm not talking about me. i'm talking about tyler, 27, who just gets a new phone and doesn't care about whatever accounts the old one had, so he throws it away and now the parts are available at a repair shop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) From Apple's side, this situation is indistinguishable from the phone having been stolen. P.S. Although maybe there's a way to learn to what account a part is locked, and write to them 'hey bro, could you please unlock this phone you threw away'. Then again, the repair shop also can't know that the phone wasn't stolen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child) no but i'm not talking about me. i'm talking about tyler, 27, who just gets a new phone and doesn't care about whatever accounts the old one had, so he throws it away and now the parts are available at a repair shop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) From Apple's side, this situation is indistinguishable from the phone having been stolen. P.S. Although maybe there's a way to learn to what account a part is locked, and write to them 'hey bro, could you please unlock this phone you threw away'. Then again, the repair shop also can't know that the phone wasn't stolen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) From Apple's side, this situation is indistinguishable from the phone having been stolen. P.S. Although maybe there's a way to learn to what account a part is locked, and write to them 'hey bro, could you please unlock this phone you threw away'. Then again, the repair shop also can't know that the phone wasn't stolen. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 16 points 3 months ago (3 children) ...but only if you buy the parts new. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 10 points 3 months ago i'm perfectly fine with buying third-party components. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago Not an option if you love somewhere where official parts are not for sale. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 16 points 3 months ago (3 children) ...but only if you buy the parts new. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 10 points 3 months ago i'm perfectly fine with buying third-party components. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago Not an option if you love somewhere where official parts are not for sale. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 10 points 3 months ago i'm perfectly fine with buying third-party components. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago Not an option if you love somewhere where official parts are not for sale. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 10 points 3 months ago i'm perfectly fine with buying third-party components. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago Not an option if you love somewhere where official parts are not for sale. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago (1 child) /s? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 months ago (5 children) I have to admit that I haven't checked ifix scores for a hot minute and am surprised that since the iphone 15 Apple consistently beats all other big brands in reparability score. Before that of course they were bad, which is probably why people remember them that way. I like that trend, hopefully Samsung and Google also hop on that bandwaggon any time soon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago* (1 child) I don't think they have a problem with the ifixit scores, more with the words you have chosen to convey your message. Also of course you will not find any love for Big Tech in the Fediverse ;-) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Personally I downvoted you because you completely forgive/forget the older devices from Apple. They had sold approximately 2.2 billions of impossible to repair devices before they kind of changed course with the iPhone 14 line. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago* (1 child) I don't think they have a problem with the ifixit scores, more with the words you have chosen to convey your message. Also of course you will not find any love for Big Tech in the Fediverse ;-) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Personally I downvoted you because you completely forgive/forget the older devices from Apple. They had sold approximately 2.2 billions of impossible to repair devices before they kind of changed course with the iPhone 14 line. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago* (1 child) I don't think they have a problem with the ifixit scores, more with the words you have chosen to convey your message. Also of course you will not find any love for Big Tech in the Fediverse ;-) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Personally I downvoted you because you completely forgive/forget the older devices from Apple. They had sold approximately 2.2 billions of impossible to repair devices before they kind of changed course with the iPhone 14 line. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)