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Capitalist propaganda is effective (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 22 points 3 months ago (14 children)

in the end estimated 50-60.000 people died from cancer related to Chernobyl.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Again, because my other comment is not visible to many of you:

    The estimate of 50,000–60,000 Chernobyl cancer deaths is a widely cited, worst-case projection, but it is crucial to understand that this figure is not a factual count. It is a theoretical calculation derived from the linear no-threshold (LNT) model, a framework that is fundamentally flawed and inappropriate for assessing the health impact of low-dose radiation exposure.

    • 29 relief workers died from Acute Radiation Sickness (ARS) shortly after the accident.
    • As of 2005, only fewer than 50 deaths were directly linked to the radiation exposure from the accident itself. This is the most solid figure based on actual evidence.
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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    A total of up to four thousand people could eventually die of radiation exposure from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant (NPP) accident nearly 20 years ago, an international team of more than 100 scientists has concluded.

    As of mid-2005, however, fewer than 50 deaths had been directly attributed to radiation from the disaster, almost all being highly exposed rescue workers, many who died within months of the accident but others who died as late as 2004.

    The new numbers are presented in a landmark digest report, "Chernobyl’s Legacy: Health, Environmental and Socio-Economic Impacts," just released by the Chernobyl Forum. The digest, based on a three-volume, 600-page report and incorporating the work of hundreds of scientists, economists and health experts, assesses the 20-year impact of the largest nuclear accident in history. The Forum is made up of 8 UN specialized agencies, including the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), World Health Organization (WHO), United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UN-OCHA), United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR), and the World Bank, as well as the governments of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.

    https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/chernobyl-true-scale-accident

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    What about Dow chemical, or Monsanto?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    The point isn't that Chernobyl was more dangerous. The point is that the tweet isn't being honest.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    You can't see the other reply so:

    A total of up to four thousand people could eventually die of radiation exposure from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant (NPP) accident nearly 20 years ago, an international team of more than 100 scientists has concluded.

    As of mid-2005, however, fewer than 50 deaths had been directly attributed to radiation from the disaster, almost all being highly exposed rescue workers, many who died within months of the accident but others who died as late as 2004.

    The new numbers are presented in a landmark digest report, "Chernobyl’s Legacy: Health, Environmental and Socio-Economic Impacts," just released by the Chernobyl Forum. The digest, based on a three-volume, 600-page report and incorporating the work of hundreds of scientists, economists and health experts, assesses the 20-year impact of the largest nuclear accident in history. The Forum is made up of 8 UN specialized agencies, including the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), World Health Organization (WHO), United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UN-OCHA), United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR), and the World Bank, as well as the governments of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.

    https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/chernobyl-true-scale-accident

    The other reply that you can't see:

    The tweet is being honest. The Numbers are correct.

    If interested: The Rational View podcast with Dr. Al Scott: Gerry Thomas and the UNSCEAR reports

    Link to episode: https://therationalview.podbean.com/e/gerry-thomas-and-the-unscear-reports/

    Link to media: https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/r8t8zh/TRV-GerryThomas.mp3

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    You didn't see my reply elsewhere in the thread. The tweet is dishonest because it's deliberately excluding the deaths from long term health issues in the Chernobyl while including them in the Bhopal numbers.

    I already figured out for myself that Chernobyl was still less deadly than Bhopal and I never claimed otherwise.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe I'm interpreting things wrong but the study is counting the long term health issues in the 50 total deaths, 20 years after the accident is long term no?

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I got lost in the sauce a bit. The tweet is still comparing different statics. Chernobyl had less then 100 deaths in the first year, but thousands more deaths from cancer in the following year. Those were excluded from mention.

    Bhopal had 16,000 deaths in the first year and 500,000 "nonfatally poisoned" casualties. Those almost certainty lead to premature deaths and if we're including those, we also need to be including the long term cancer deaths from Chernobyl.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    The study is saying that the projection is 4k but they can only attribute with confidence 50 death related with the disaster.

    many who died within months of the accident but others who died as late as 2004.

    Late as 2004 is saying that they are counting the following years

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I mean what about ww2? All terrible disasters, but the concept was "chernobyl was not small made bigger by capitalism for fearmongering, it was huge all along". Then we can also discuss how terrible and how many victims capitalism brought, just don't base it on a lie or you'll just loose the trust of other people. Whataboutism doesn't help either, you are deflecting when you already have a lot of other potential arguments. Be better.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Capitalism has killed over 100 million people directly over the last 100 years.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Every year ~10 million people starve to death or die of easily preventable disease. These deaths are directly attributable to capitalism, as the global system of economics and distribution. It simply isn’t profitable to the capitalists to prevent these deaths.

    So your number is way short. Every ten years capitalism kills 100 million just from starvation and disease.

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