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[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 8 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Yes, with all the warranted vitriol of a puppy. The war is clearly and objectively a farce, and any legitimate news operation would report it as such. At best we'll get a milquetoast comment about how Trump contradicts himself every other sentence because the journalists are rightfully fearful that they'll lose their jobs if they actually take a hard stance on the side of factual information.

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[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

And the goalposts are moved. The argument was that the media isn't covering it all. Which is an embarrassing fucking statement to make and everyone knows that. So now we're doing this, apparently an equivalent thing where objective fucking journalism is now the major crime.

Journalists should be providing objective information on which people make their own decisions. How the fuck can you not see that you're exactly the same as the right? You are OPENLY demanding to be told what you want to hear.

And it's not like accurately reporting has cast the war in a good light, Trump looks like an absolute fucking moron.

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[–] uienia@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

I'm not reading OPs comment as being about the media not covering the war. That would indeed be an absurd statement, I read it as a statement that the media not covering it as Trumps warm and not linking these earlier tweets about him being aware of using an Iran war to cover up something.

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[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I’m not reading OPs comment as being about the media not covering the war.

I honestly don't know how you can't. Those are the words he used, it seems unambiguous. You're taking an unsupported leap in this interpretation.

I read it as a statement that the media not covering it as Trumps warm

Of course they have been. People here just don't read the news. They read snippets and memes and internet comments from random people. Going by AP's coverage alone, you can't think the war was caused by anyone but Trump.

What's happening here are typical lazy generalizations of the "media", which lumped into some single entity by these simpletons. These are the exact people who got us into this Trump situation in the first place. There have been countless times where I've seen a person claim "the media isn't covering this" only to have a quick Google search reveal that most major networks had. Sadly, most prefer to believe the lie because it fits their immature and simplistic worldview.

In 2016, Trump made it ok to call what you don't like "fake news" and to disregard real reporting. Now it's infected both the left and right and the country has gotten much stupider.

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[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

The argument was that the news didn't mention how Trump's actions in Iran are exactly what he said Obama would do when he was struggling, which is true. It's among many things the news isn't reporting. I'm not saying the newspaper should make people's opinions for them, I'm saying it should never let people forget that the facts show that Trump is a liar.

An article with the headline of "Trump Lies Again About Latest Oil War" would be an objective article upon which people could make their own decisions, but there's really only one opinion to make from it, so we consider the news as having made it for them, but that would be wrong. It's just that the opinion to draw is so obvious when so honestly reported that it seems like that's the case.

The news doesn't have to always report along the lines of "Trump said x, which contradicts his previous statement y." That's just called a lie. He's lying. Reporting it any less bluntly only serves to obscure that fact from the vast majority of the people who never read past the headline anyway.

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[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

Here's the problem with that. The media did report on these comments by Trump - both when he made them 2011-2013 through to the present.

Here it is being covered by Fox29 in 2020:

https://www.fox29.com/news/trump-claimed-in-2011-2012-that-obama-would-start-war-with-iran-to-get-reelected

Here is a transcript from a CNN broadcast in which they displayed these comments after one of his SOTU speeches:

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/sotu/date/2026-03-01/segment/01

Another CNN transcript in which they directly confront Jim Jordan with these comments:

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/arena/date/2026-03-12/segment/01

Here is NPR covering it:

https://www.wbur.org/npr/nx-s1-5732601/trump-maga-iran-war-israel

I'm sure I'll get "downvoted" to hell for not conforming the crowd here and providing verifiable information that disproves this claim. I personally think one of the worst things Trump has done is to allow people to lump the "media" in some amorphous entity that can be accepted or dismissed whenever it's convenient for your argument. This has infected both the left and right.

Do you understand what my issue is with these "evil media" lazy simplifications? People are addicted to some kind self-righteousness buzz "sticking it to the man" and they willingly spread damaging misinformation simply because it fits their preconceived notions.

The rest of point just seems to be an issue with journalistic standards - them not using the specific words you want? That's you wanting a Fox News equivalent telling you want to hear. Every single article/transcript posted above gives you the needed information to come to that obvious conclusion. I am not usually the "sky is falling type" but it is really starting to seem like social media has made this country significantly stupider. People refusing to read beyond a headline IS NOT the fault of the media. Headlines are not articles aggregators like Reddit or Lemmy encourage people to think they have the right to praise or criticize an article based ONLY on the headline - literally judging a book by it's cover.

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[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 1 point 3 months ago

Alright, fair enough. I hadn't seen any of those specific articles, but you've shown that the idea that there wasn't any coverage is verifiably false. I wish there was a hell of a lot more to the point where nobody could miss it, but that's a separate argument to make.

As for whether the news allows people to come to their own conclusions, I think the bigger issue is that people have already formed their own conclusions, and the news isn't currently direct enough to shake those opinions. Not all opinions are made equal, and while I understand that my own opinions are just as susceptible to misinformation as anyone else's, that's all the more reason for the to be a system to put everyone - myself included - on the spot and force them to reassess what they believe.

People are meant to reassess their beliefs on their own, but they often don't, as you've alluded to yourself with regards to the upvotes in this very thread. It's no longer something I believe we can afford to ignore. The weak language currently used in media allows people who believe misinformation to continue doing so. I'm sick of waiting for them to come around; now I want to confront people to either see the truth or admit that the truth doesn't matter to them, and I see the media as being the organization to force that issue.

A change needs to happen, one way or another. Sitting here staring into the abyss we're slowly sliding into isn't doing us or the world as a whole any good. Maybe there just isn't a nonviolent way to do it, but I'd prefer to try something like a more direct media tactic before we continue our slow and steady march toward either revolution or even more largely unopposed fascism.

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