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[+] -51 points 3 months ago (23 children)

They posted an explanation in the tesseract community, but it boils down to they want the fediverse to succeed and replace reddit, but there is a contingent of toxic users that they feel is hindering that goal so they precompiled a list for new instance admins.

It's fully optional and can easily be disabled in the UI

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  • [–] 80 points 3 months ago (19 children)

    It is not fully optional. It was obfuscated and unremovable. That's why the backlash has been so severe.

    Not to mention, why should a user interface make that decision? That's up to individual server admins and their userbase.

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  • [+] -21 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    The author offers a lengthy explanation in their own words as to precisely why this was done. TLDR: people are free to stop using it, but he's making these changes because he wants to offer this service on behalf of those who don't enjoy all the toxicity here.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Lol. TIL I'm a violent extremist. Me. Boring, professional, suit wearing, family of four having, generic white guy.

    The world this guy lives in must be truly weird.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, to be fair, here is that entire paragraph for context:

    As will be explained further, there are 10 rules that are enforced, the biggest one being a very basic “don’t be a violent extremist”. That’s probably 30% of the list. Another 50% are just alts of Dwazou (persistent, long-term ban evader), and the remaining 20% just garden-variety spammers and toxic people who scare the normies away.

    Based on this, it is much more likely that you are an alt of Dwazou. (Or maybe I am? 🤪 Statistically, between the three of us, you me and the author, ONE of us must be!!)

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    people are not "free to stop using it" if the instance admin is using it.

    honestly I don't even give a fuck about me being on "the list" anymore. I'm more upset that he decided for hundreds if not thousands of users without consulting them or taking into consideration of their opinions.

    he took the choice away from them, and that's kind of the problem with tech anymore.

    @ptz@dubvee.org is a scammy piece of shit that got caught and is attempting to do damage control now.

    don't his users and his users users deserve transparency?

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  • [+] -14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yes they do but the irony present in your reply is palpable.

    Incels upon being told no simply create an alt to evade bans.

    Tesseract bans them anyway.

    WoN't SoMeOnE pLeAsE tHiNk oF tHe children BaN eVaDeRs?!

    Sadge :-(

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Lmfao. I didn't make it more than a few paragraphs because it's written with the maturity of a 10 year old in a chocolate sausage museum.

    You can really tell they're up for an honest and open conversation with the community, really trying to improve the Fediverse, with their locking of all comments.

    He's clearly the toxic one and is projecting his issues onto hundreds of others.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Your TLDR reeeeeeealllllly buries the lede.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Fair, I guess that was more my own take-away from it than summary! :-P

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Eh, I guess my opinion is somewhat colored by seeing some of the things they decided to block. Like "perchance" stood out. None of that specific information was in this post.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    No, the transparency aspect is really the biggest part of all of this. Like, do whatever you want, but make sure to state clearly what you're doing rather than hide it.

    Similar to PieFed's voting quota: even admins were surprised how their own instances were behaving when the code update came through and they had no idea why it was limiting votes.

    Actually, that's always been my beef with lemmy.ml: be loud and proud a tankie as you want to be - OWN that shit, you know!?! - but don't lie to people that you are "just a place to discuss FOSS". Banning people from their instance is fine and their right, but when they are disingenuous about the reason, citing a rule that does not say anything remotely close to what it really means, the way that they wield it... that tends to make people upset, you know? (And there are several communities dedicated to calling out that shit, like MeanwhileOnGrad.)

    Lotta weird decisions going around. I just try to stay sane through it all... and perchance I fail 😜

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    THAT list is able to be disabled, though people are mad about its discoverability and transparency.

    The OTHER list, the smaller instance-level one, reportedly cannot be disabled, seemingly the only recourse for those instances on it are to use his fork of the code.

    This is from db0's reporting, I have not attempted to confirm personally, but I would be happy to be corrected if need be.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly, with this block list, what's actually left in terms of content? That list would surely account for half this platform's traffic or more.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 months ago

    Yeah it's not for me either, but I also believe that people have a right to not have other's speech or behavior forced upon them, which is kind of exactly what ActivityPub was created to facilitate and what separates it from corporate platforms.

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