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I find that leftist spaces have a lot of red flags (slrpnk.net)
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[–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

While I appreciate the sentiment, how can we form cohesive organizations without cohesive ideas and policies? The Bolshevists struggled with this and took a lot of ideas into consideration, while forging policy. It doesn't mean we automatically kick people out of dialogue, until it threatens the developed anticapitalist policy forged through these struggles among ourselves. It's not that "not everyone has a voice," as much as "certain policies take precedence in order to stop the advancement of capitalism that directly, indirectly, and more importantly, intentionally harms the many for the insatiable greed of the few.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Well, I'd argue that the cohesive ideas already exist within people's consciousness in a serviceable state, even as wrong minded as we can be. What doesn't exist is a directive within us to turn morally good ideas into actions that we take. And we just can't get that from online, being here talking with eachother like this is too emotionally rewarding whether or not we're arguing.

    If you live in a place where you have a community that can act against capitalism in any particular way, doing that would probably be more effective than checking online with strangers like me or the .ml 社会信用体系 farm for alternatives. You know, it just doesn't feel like there are any wrong answers now. Also me being here talking is 100% a part of the problem.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    No they most certainly are not cohesive, if certain leftists insist on clinging to mis- and dis- information, especially when certain leftists know that Western media is consistently and constantly carrying water for the same system that oppresses us with:

    1. Surveillance state
    2. Media lies
    3. Violent police action
    4. Embracing fascism while criminalizing even right wing Democrats, let alone leftist thought, writing and discussion
    5. Creating mental illness to justify incarceration
    6. Creating more criminal categories to justify concentration camps (homelessness, peaceful protests, mutual aid, feeding the homeless in the park)
    7. Debanking
    8. Desnaturalization
    9. Declaring natural born citizens non-citizens
    10. Disappearing citizens and noncitizens

    The same leftists, I might add, that DV comments that discuss Gell-Mann amneaia, whine while refusing to consider just maybe accusations lobbed in this very thread just may be more psyop lies, or at the very least, gross misrepresentation, like

    1. Operation Condor
    2. Operation Gladio
    3. Palestinian Genocide
    4. Data centers don't consume too much water, pollute water, increase global warming
    5. Clean Carbon
    6. CO² tax credits
    7. Plastic Recycling
    8. Asbestos safety

    Edit to add: and while I admit I'm woefully inadequate in my knowledge of history, we deal with individuals like this, in 2h and 3D who prefer to feel clever with reactions line this: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/27196446 rather than do the briefest cursory search to actually learn a fact it two, even casually.

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