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How would anarchy work in practice? (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] 1 point 3 months ago (14 children)

It's not going to work. There are always people that crave power.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    There are always people that crave power.

    The point is not to have no people who crave power, but rather install a system which prevents the concentration of power.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    The goal is also to change the mindset and values of people. Anarchism only works when people actually want to do anarchy and for this we need to convince people to have the will to change

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The goal is also to change the mindset and values of people.

    Suppose we have a hypothetical individual named "Tonald Drump". This individual has pathological conditions which force him to not only crave power and domination over others, but to be willing to do absolutely anything to those ends. He will say anything, do anything, and promise anything to get as much for himself as possible and to get as many people as possible to continually praise him. What shall be done about Mr. Drump?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    You took what I wrote as "The goal is also to change the mindset and values of all people.", right? I understand the interpretation, but I think its a reading of my words that isnt the most reasonable. I thinks its more reasonable to assume that I meant people in general with some exceptions. There are probably 8.3 billion people on earth that I would rather spend any effort on before actively trying to change the mindest of Donald Trump.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    My point is that people like Trump will never have a change of mindset. If his problems truly are pathological then he can never have a change of mindset.

    I'm seriously asking. What would be done with him in an ideal society? Others here are saying that the goal is to make a society where power cannot be concentrated. Great, but someone like Trump will try to do so, and he will never ever stop until he is involuntarily stopped. What does stopping him look like?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    What would be done with him in an ideal society?

    Probably not so much? In an ideal society he wouldnt be able to order people around to do bad things for him, he wouldnt have money or power to pay people to do bad things for him, he wouldnt find platforms that would help him create a following, he wouldnt find many people actually joining his cause etc. So in the best case he would just give up or constantly fail and be a sad old man that soon dies because of age.

    But if he actually poses a problem with his anti social behaviour because change isnt something that he wants or can do and his actions seem to work to a degree, communities could try things such as:

    • socially isolate him in ways that make it hard to built any social power
    • monitoring his actions to intervene before he does violence
    • remove access to things he could use to do violence
    • exile him to a place where other bad actors live, like a a small town that can mostly sustain itself but gets some outside help to not be a death sentence
    • and lastly, trying to dominate people that maybe liberated themselves, with many maybe having lost friend, family, community members during their liberation, is a recipe to get oneself killed out of justified rage or through simple self defense.

    A more sophisticated answer is provided in the anarchist FAQ

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    power can be gotton outside the state or formally organized systems. look at the mafia. i always wandered how would an anarchist system handle organized crime

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Only because that is the kind of system they were raised in and there's not systems in place to mitigate it.

    There have been studies to show that even those with ASPD can be helped to not act in these ways.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I would love to be proven wrong. I guess I am just too pessimistic about human nature.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago*

    I rarely meet a person that prefers to use violence and domination over other means to solve a conflict.

    I very often meet people who somehow believe they themselves are one of the few that dont prefer to use violence and domination to solve a conflict.

    I think we should have a little more faith in other peoples potential.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    Human nature is either maleable, or tends towards cooperation when given the chance.

    Besides, we aren't human, so tend to see humans as interesting, and how they are or can become.

    Humans are a very interesting species, silly sometimes, but most of them mean well. They're just lacking direction a little.

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