▲ 141 ▼ More people around the world now favour China over the US, Pew study suggests (www.bbc.com) submitted 3 months ago by cm0002@suppo.fi to c/world 28 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] fizzle 5 points 3 months ago Who is more or less of an asshole is a subjective question. Theres no question that the Chinese are assholes, but are they moreso than the US? In the last few years the US has not only abandoned any semblance of a response to climate change, but they've doubled down on open hostility to renewable projects. As a global leader, this provides cover to every other country who can point to the US as a wealthy greenhouse gas emitter and say "what's the point of us reducing our emissions when the US is actively increasing theirs?" Would you like to talk about how much harm this will cause in the coming decades? What is the death toll likely to be, and how many people are going to be subjected to poverty and displaced due to famine? The other salient issue is the current energy instability due to Trump's belligerence with Iran. In the US it might just cost more to fill up your car with fuel. Theres a lot of regions in south East asia, where most fuel from the strait of Hormuz goes, that are enduring completely unnecessary energy crisis right now. Would you like to talk about how many farms cant afford fertiliser because of US arrogance and what the impact of that might be in the coming months? Or perhaps what it might be line to have a small restaurant who simply can not buy LPG due to shortages? Finally, with the US breathless support of Israel theres no moral high-sounding to be had by pointing to China's human rights abuses. Growing up in Australia in the 90s the US was always "bigger and better", now you're just assholes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (5 children) How many millions died in the Middle East because of the US in the last fifty years? And how many Falun Gong and Uighurs and Tibetans died because of China in the same time? Compare those numbers, mate. You may be surprised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (3 children) You did not look it up, did you? We're talking about today. Which country is worse for the world today? If you want to bring up Mao, I could bring up Kissinger and Nixon's bombings of Laos, or the obliteration of the cities in the Korean War, or the United Fruit Company. See, I did not even mention South America in my question about the last fifty years. Look at the numbers, honestly compare. There have been millions of deaths in the Middle East from the US wars there. Sanctions have killed millions more. You have to realise that this actually happened if you want to honestly understand why people might see the US on the same level as China. It did not start with Trump. I do acknowledge Mao's killings, the killings of intellectuals and landlords and ethnic minorities who refused to submit, and dissidents who died in camps, and pregnant women given forced abortions, and gay people imprisoned for deviancy. However, that was not the point of this discussion. The point is that things have changed. The US is seen as the monster now, because it is more dangerous to other countries than China. Also, China's repression has slowed down a lot, so the increasing repression in the USA is alarming everyone who used to see the US as a reliable if warlike friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] juli@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Are these enough? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_Mine_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Memorial_Day_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing P.S. Fuck China and Fuck USA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) No one cares about your whataboutism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago Kinda ridiculous to call it whataboutism when that's the point of the entire article, comparing the two. Though yes, the US is fucked right now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fizzle 5 points 3 months ago Who is more or less of an asshole is a subjective question. Theres no question that the Chinese are assholes, but are they moreso than the US? In the last few years the US has not only abandoned any semblance of a response to climate change, but they've doubled down on open hostility to renewable projects. As a global leader, this provides cover to every other country who can point to the US as a wealthy greenhouse gas emitter and say "what's the point of us reducing our emissions when the US is actively increasing theirs?" Would you like to talk about how much harm this will cause in the coming decades? What is the death toll likely to be, and how many people are going to be subjected to poverty and displaced due to famine? The other salient issue is the current energy instability due to Trump's belligerence with Iran. In the US it might just cost more to fill up your car with fuel. Theres a lot of regions in south East asia, where most fuel from the strait of Hormuz goes, that are enduring completely unnecessary energy crisis right now. Would you like to talk about how many farms cant afford fertiliser because of US arrogance and what the impact of that might be in the coming months? Or perhaps what it might be line to have a small restaurant who simply can not buy LPG due to shortages? Finally, with the US breathless support of Israel theres no moral high-sounding to be had by pointing to China's human rights abuses. Growing up in Australia in the 90s the US was always "bigger and better", now you're just assholes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (5 children) How many millions died in the Middle East because of the US in the last fifty years? And how many Falun Gong and Uighurs and Tibetans died because of China in the same time? Compare those numbers, mate. You may be surprised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (3 children) You did not look it up, did you? We're talking about today. Which country is worse for the world today? If you want to bring up Mao, I could bring up Kissinger and Nixon's bombings of Laos, or the obliteration of the cities in the Korean War, or the United Fruit Company. See, I did not even mention South America in my question about the last fifty years. Look at the numbers, honestly compare. There have been millions of deaths in the Middle East from the US wars there. Sanctions have killed millions more. You have to realise that this actually happened if you want to honestly understand why people might see the US on the same level as China. It did not start with Trump. I do acknowledge Mao's killings, the killings of intellectuals and landlords and ethnic minorities who refused to submit, and dissidents who died in camps, and pregnant women given forced abortions, and gay people imprisoned for deviancy. However, that was not the point of this discussion. The point is that things have changed. The US is seen as the monster now, because it is more dangerous to other countries than China. Also, China's repression has slowed down a lot, so the increasing repression in the USA is alarming everyone who used to see the US as a reliable if warlike friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] juli@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Are these enough? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_Mine_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Memorial_Day_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing P.S. Fuck China and Fuck USA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (3 children) You did not look it up, did you? We're talking about today. Which country is worse for the world today? If you want to bring up Mao, I could bring up Kissinger and Nixon's bombings of Laos, or the obliteration of the cities in the Korean War, or the United Fruit Company. See, I did not even mention South America in my question about the last fifty years. Look at the numbers, honestly compare. There have been millions of deaths in the Middle East from the US wars there. Sanctions have killed millions more. You have to realise that this actually happened if you want to honestly understand why people might see the US on the same level as China. It did not start with Trump. I do acknowledge Mao's killings, the killings of intellectuals and landlords and ethnic minorities who refused to submit, and dissidents who died in camps, and pregnant women given forced abortions, and gay people imprisoned for deviancy. However, that was not the point of this discussion. The point is that things have changed. The US is seen as the monster now, because it is more dangerous to other countries than China. Also, China's repression has slowed down a lot, so the increasing repression in the USA is alarming everyone who used to see the US as a reliable if warlike friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] juli@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Are these enough? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_Mine_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Memorial_Day_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing P.S. Fuck China and Fuck USA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (3 children) You did not look it up, did you? We're talking about today. Which country is worse for the world today? If you want to bring up Mao, I could bring up Kissinger and Nixon's bombings of Laos, or the obliteration of the cities in the Korean War, or the United Fruit Company. See, I did not even mention South America in my question about the last fifty years. Look at the numbers, honestly compare. There have been millions of deaths in the Middle East from the US wars there. Sanctions have killed millions more. You have to realise that this actually happened if you want to honestly understand why people might see the US on the same level as China. It did not start with Trump. I do acknowledge Mao's killings, the killings of intellectuals and landlords and ethnic minorities who refused to submit, and dissidents who died in camps, and pregnant women given forced abortions, and gay people imprisoned for deviancy. However, that was not the point of this discussion. The point is that things have changed. The US is seen as the monster now, because it is more dangerous to other countries than China. Also, China's repression has slowed down a lot, so the increasing repression in the USA is alarming everyone who used to see the US as a reliable if warlike friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] juli@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Are these enough? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_Mine_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Memorial_Day_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing P.S. Fuck China and Fuck USA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] juli@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Are these enough? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_Mine_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Memorial_Day_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing P.S. Fuck China and Fuck USA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] juli@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Are these enough? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_Mine_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Memorial_Day_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing P.S. Fuck China and Fuck USA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) No one cares about your whataboutism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago Kinda ridiculous to call it whataboutism when that's the point of the entire article, comparing the two. Though yes, the US is fucked right now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago Kinda ridiculous to call it whataboutism when that's the point of the entire article, comparing the two. Though yes, the US is fucked right now. permalink fedilink source parent