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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago* (26 children)

    Maybe amend the rule to "celebrating death of actual human beings". There's one person whose death will be celebrated far and wide, for sure.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    So it's a highly inconsistent rule that also get lifted when someone the mods hate dies? Holy shit

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Graham caused some fatalities too, not at the level of a war criminal ofc, but still, he did some pretty bad damage so what i see is just an excuse to celebrate the death of someone you dislike;
    If everyone is human Graham included then Kissinger is too, yet you celebrated Kissinger death, which mean you deem one less human than the other which just look hypocrisy to me, this whole rule is bullshit but it's even more bullshit how you all enforce it and remove it as you like for certain people

    You either enforce it for all or for no one, which IMO the better one is the 2nd option because the rule is just blatantly enforcing your own moral.

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  • [–] 66 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (94 children)

    Any good justification for this rule you can think of?

    (Also… weird that you’re not actually enforcing it? Is it a “rule” or not?)

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  • [–] 101 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (32 children)

    So if we celebrated hitler's death we lack humanity? People should be free to celebrate a death if they feel to. Forcing your idea of a moral code over people is not nice. We are not talking about celebrating violence, a crime or wishing for somebody's death.

    People should be free to express their feelings if they don't hurt anyone, without having to fear the morality police. The point of modorators should be to create a welcoming and safe space, not to impose your morality on others.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    You wrote the words “basic humanity” as if that was supposed to make sense as a justification for a rule. Don’t think we’ve seen a reason.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I have empathy for the people whose lives were made miserable by republican policies graham championed and I celebrate one less champion of those policies fucking people over

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    those policies killed people

    not just made miserable

    fucking killed

    but we’re not supposed to be happy he’s dead?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago*

    he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President.

    So he was still a bad person but also other people agreed with him and enabled him to do bad stuff

    This is like saying "Jeff was not a bad person, they would restrain him so he couldn't kill, while Josh was a very bad person because he could kill without restriction"

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It might help you understand WHY you're getting ratioed if you understand this:

    Lindsay Graham was basically a serial killer who used votes rather than knives.

    Imagine a serial killer murdered someone you love. Wouldn't you cheer when you find out he's died? Wouldn't you be happy he is dead and no longer able to harm others the way he harmed your loved one?

    That's how we feel about Graham dying. That's what we're celebrating. Graham is the serial killer who murdered our mama, and we're happy to see him die.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Yes, and you could have answered "thanks for your input, but we are going to stick with our rules because we have our reasons", instead you basically tell me "Doesn't matter what you think, these are the rules and you must respect them. No discussion allowed". I mean sure, you make the rules, but the way you enforce them and react to criticism speaks for itself.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    No. This high road bullshit is why we are in the hole we’re in now. You want to play the game, you need to understand the rules. And you naive to think anything else.

    I won’t condone murder, but this fucker deserves his abrupt death and the vitriol that follows. We will always be at the mercy of those fucks because of people like you and it’s time you understand.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Would you celebrate the death of Hitler?

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (22 children)

    Not positive that you should be enforcing your own personal ethics onto other people. Free speech should be a thing. If a person did bad things and people are glad that he is no longer in a position to do bad things, that is a celebration in itself. Trying to enforce opinions like this is self-congratulatory in that you consider your opinion is superior and worthy of judicial enforcement.

    Note that I haven't in the slightest commented on the man himself, yet still run the risk of banning. It all depends upon the moderator. This happens on Reddit all the time and that's the problem with this kind of moderation. It has a chilling effect. Give a censor a job and they tend to censor.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    You just make an account on a different instance. Lemmy instances are kind of like email providers. You can have a slickgoat@lemmy.world, slickgoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com, slickgoat@lemmy.ml, etc… Different instances will tend to have very different admin styles. You also still need to follow the rules for whatever local community you’re on as well. So using this thread as an example, I’m on lemmy.dbzer0.com but I still need to follow the local mod’s “no celebrating death” rule. As long as they’re federated with the same instances, you’ll be able to see all the same content.

    lemmy.world tends to be many users’ first instance, simply because .world was one of the few instances that kept open registrations during the biggest Reddit migration. So it’s the largest, simply because it’s where most of the new users landed. But it is also frequently looked down on by other instances, because the .world mods tend to skew farther right than lots of Lemmy users prefer.

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  • [–] 69 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Jesus fucking Christ. We’re really doing this high road virtue signaling bullshit here, too? Cool. Continue being part of the problem, I guess.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Is there a rule about talking about disliking it? I don’t see one in writing, but it seems like it wouldn’t matter.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago*

    Ok agreed. No surprise night raping or murdering people in colonial genocide projects that Graham Cracker. I hope we'll all live to celebrate that fucker dying some day too.

    Now on the celebrations.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The issue is that what is presented as a single rule is actually several different rules crammed into one sentence. It strings together multiple distinct ideas with commas, making it unclear where one prohibition ends and another begins. If each of those ideas is meant to stand on its own, they should be written as separate rules rather than bundled together under a single heading.

    Secondly, "celebrating death" is an extremely vague concept. Many cultures celebrate death in one form or another. Hindus, for example, have traditions that celebrate the passage into the next life. Creole culture also has a long history of turning funerals into communal celebrations.

    Moreover, what exactly constitutes a celebration of death? If someone feels happy that a particular person has died, they are not necessarily celebrating death itself. They are simply acknowledging that someone they disliked is gone and, in their view, that the world is objectively better off as a result.

    So if I say, "I am happy that so-and-so died," that is not, in and of itself, a morally reprehensible statement. It merely expresses an individual's emotions. No one is obligated to like another person or to feel sadness when they die. Death itself is not a moral act; the act of taking a life is. In this case, the individual died naturally rather than as the result of anyone's actions.

    As a result, I see no compelling reason why death itself should never be celebrated, whether the sentiment is meant to admonish the deceased or to honor them.

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