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Cleveland Voted to Kill Its Flock Camera Network. They Have REMAINED ON, With Police Still Using Them (www.gadgetreview.com)
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[–] -2 points 4 months ago (15 children)

If you crack open a history book you'll find that a multi-polar world has a lot more war. Napoleonic wars, World Wars, etc. Even in the Cold War when nuclear weapons made it too insane for super powers to fight each other directly, they found ways to have massive proxy wars, like the Korean War and Vietnam War. These wars left over a million people dead each. Then there were all of the various civil wars that the superpowers were involved like the Angolan civil war, that one was about a half million people dead. These conflicts were happening all over the world.

People today shit themselves over Gaza, but that's less than a tenth of casualties compared to the wars that happened in the Cold War and less than 0.2% of WW2. Would you consider wars happening in multiple parts of the world with 10 to 500 times the casualties we've seen in Gaza to be a "stable world"?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    The Spanish flu killed more people than all the human wars in the last thousand years. How many genocides still occured under "Pax Americana." Taking the whole world into account, 90% of humanity would be under just as much threat of violence if the US vanished tomorrow. There hasn't been an era of broad peace among most of the globe in 6000 years. You act like it's been sunshine and roses under the monopolar system. Ask the people of Libya, Syria, and Iraq how they feel about that? Ask the Cubans, and the Guatemalans and the Haitians if they feel protected.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (9 children)

    You're acting like a million deaths is the same as 100,000 deaths. I'm not saying a mono-polar world is sunshine and roses. I'm saying a multi-polar world is worse. I'm giving you numbers to back that up.

    It's not like either of us is going to change the course of the world. It will likely go in the direction of a multi-polar world because the US is on the decline. You shouldn't be so naive as to think that you should be preparing to celebrate world peace breaking out when there's a multi-polar world. You should be prepared for world war.

    Some the things you listed are just the start of that. Syria was not exactly aligned with the West. It was aligned with Russia and Iran which are pushing for this multi-polar world you seem to think will be better. Half a million people were killed in the Syrian civil war. You should expect more of that in a multi-polar world. Ukraine is another example of Russia trying to become a Great Power in a multi-polar world. It's at least a million dead and counting in that one.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (8 children)

    If you think I expect world peace you didn't read what 8 wrote. But I will die proudly for justice. For mercy. For the truth, and I will not mourn a hegemony that enforces "peace" at the cost of thos values.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (7 children)

    There's a difference between justice and revenge. There is no such thing as revenge against a country. Germany still exists today even after the horrible crimes committed by that country in the past.

    You're being told by Iranian propaganda that you're supposed to hate a country. But hatred doesn't make you strong, it only makes you stupid and gullible. Willing to die just to serve the interests of some psychopath.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (6 children)

    You mean the Lego things? That's the only Iranian anything I've ever seen, but nice try. Catchy tune but didn't change my position on anything.i don't believe in "mowing the Israeli lawn" if that's what you're afraid of. I do however believe in letting Israel suffer the natural consequences of its own decisions, and not protecting them out of some misguided sense of guilt.

    By justice I meant the billionaire parasites and the Epstein class.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    Are you so naive as to think the Lego videos were the only thing they've produced? Iran is behind only China and Russia in terms of internet propaganda operations. It's fairly trivial to count the number of accounts on social media that are active every day, but coincidentally not active at times when the power's out in Iran. They operate troll farms same as China and Russia does.

    How do you think the Lego videos came out of nowhere and got picked up by the algorithms? Upvoted by the troll farms.

    I've seen some strange activity on Lemmy like the exact same content being posted from multiple accounts. Always pro-Iran and anti-Israel.

    You're being incredibly naive if you think they just put out some cute little Lego videos and nothing else. You're the target of an information warfare campaign, and it seems to be working. You need to think a little more about what content you'd expect troll farms in China, Russia, and Iran would be producing.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    You really have no reading comprehension. I said they're the only ones I've seen. Not that that's all that exist. I'm a millenial. I was raised to spot and discard propaganda by all the American corporate advertising that's been jammed down my throat since I was born.

    The only thing that I find offensive about the Iran conflict is that western lives and resources are being wasted fighting people we have no reason to hate. I don't give a damn what happens to Israel. They're not my problem.

    And you can spare me the blood libel of equating Judaism with the crimes of Israel. Watching Jews being abandoned and attacked by their own community for not trying dismiss and ior God forbid justify the crimes of Israel is the most antisemitic thing I've ever seen.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    How cute, you're a millennial and so you think that makes you special. You've been exposed to imagery of a war on the other side of the world and so you think it entitles you to be an asshole to people where you live.

    It may be hard for you to accept, but you're not all that much different from the boomers. Just mindlessly consuming things on the internet that make you angry. Not giving any thought about who is making you angry and for what purpose. Boomers tend to gravitate towards the Russian propaganda, while you gravitate towards Chinese and Iranian propaganda.

    The only thing that I find offensive about the Iran conflict is that western lives and resources are being wasted fighting people we have no reason to hate.

    The Iranian regime is making you hateful. It's easier to convince people of lies than it is to convince people they've been lied to.

    My conversations with younger generations are basically identical to my conversations with boomers. Same tendency towards conspiracy theories, same distrust of any media source that's not conforming to their feelings. Your generation doesn't make you anything special.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I haven't been exposed to shit. Have you not been listening? I don't feel any particular sympathy for China, in fact I firmly oppose those trying to lean my country towards them. I don't have many sympathies for Iran either, though I do have some sympathy for those who opposed the regime. It's unfortunate they're likely entirely dead now thanks to the dipshit in the White House. I don't appreciate anyone trying to push propaganda on me, whether it's Russia, China, Iran, The US, Google, Microsoft, Open AI or Nvidia, or Israel. I had to learn to breathe underwater in the sea of propaganda and lies from every direction.

    For example, I can see you trying to twist a comment on American corporate bullshit, and the world being a better place when America finally falls apart, because a sick and dying whale thrashing around is more trouble than all the chaos of a multi-polar world, and trying to turn it into a debate on the middle east because you only care about Israel. You're irrelevant and I will forget you tomorrow, just like all the propagandists that came before you.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I haven’t been exposed to shit. Have you not been listening?

    I don't think you're listening.

    You're on the internet, you've been exposed to foreign propaganda. If you're conscious of it, you'll be able to better spot it.

    If you insist on being so naive and pretend everything that makes you outraged on the internet must be real, you're open to manipulation.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    But that's just it, I am conscious of it. That's why I can safely discard it. That's why ads don't work on me anymore. That's why this conversation doesn't matter in the slightest. Now, I'd appreciate you letting it go because this digression is an obvious attempt to create a tempest in a teapot.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The Concert of Europe kept the continent relatively peaceful for a century, mainly by ensuring that one nation didn't become another Napoleonic France.

    Post World War II was also relatively peaceful compared to the interwar years, mainly because of the two interventionist powers trying to compete with each other. There was a lot of genocide after World War I.

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