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[β] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 18 points 4 months ago (16 children) Yes, but for harm reduction only If you want to have actual progress you gotta work outside of the system permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [β] kibblebits 6 points 4 months ago (7 children) Elaborate on working outside of the system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago (6 children) Don't beg. Do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] kibblebits 2 points 4 months ago (5 children) Like what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago (2 children) What do you want from your government? Your government won't do it. Do it your fucking self. I dunno. You want better schools? Start one, improve the ones that exist, whatever. You want safer streets? Start pouring concrete and slashing tires. You want asafe injection site? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] kibblebits -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) After you. Im guessing you donβt actually want any of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) None of those are exactly my issue, no (I was using standard talking points politicians appeal to people like you by promising, then forget on election night), but if someone got started on one of those projects and I had spare time, I'd pitch in. I do in fact do the shit I believe in. Goverent does not give you things. It gives you orders. It corrupts your intentions. Its very heart is rot. The actual stuff is done by people. Those people exist, they live on your street, in your building. Maybe you're one of them, if you're jot a completely bullshit professional managerial fuckhead with no skills-and even then you can learn shit (I did) or function as a warm body. The tools are around. Sometimes they're big and hard to diy/steal, sometimes itβs shit you've got laying around. permalink fedilink source parent [β] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Like the other said. Meet up with your neighbors and address those issues together as a community You can draw inspiration from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosfygika_of_Alexandras_avenue#Self-organised_structures permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] baines@lemmy.cafe 3 points 4 months ago cool can my neighbors make 3M two states over stop polluting my drinking water? permalink fedilink source parent [β] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago Correct. But harm reduction is still valuable. You still need to vote, you just shouldn't pretend that voting alone is sufficient. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Zorque@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (6 children) Sure, if you only vote in general elections and only vote for federal positions. Local and primary elections allow for much more opportunity for change. But only if you participate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children) Not usually. Last time I voted in a local election the candidates every position looked like looked like: School board, two of the following candidates: Aaron Hitler(R): reverse integration, apply more discipline to students, stop paying teachers so damn much, get the globalist bankers out of our children's education! Phillipa Marinetti(D): replace teachers with ai, increase budget by 500%, turn all facilities into data centers and create a machine to feed the weakest children into for public entertainment! david yutani-vonweyland(independent): put the kids to work in our shiny new factory! Create jobs! Oh and Do we want to add more money to the can high speed rail fund to build high speed rail that my parents voted successfully to approve when I was a child? We gave all the money to elon musk. OOPSIE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Zorque@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (4 children) Sucks for you, i guess. But thats not true of everywhere, and often you can often help encourage better candidates by prosthelytizing your ideals to those around you. We do not live in vacuums, and treating every issue as something you have to solve completely by yourself is a recipe for failure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] alapakala 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Cripes, they are getting more anti social in their responses. Hey Zorque, if folks don't live in a vacuum, how come cops are allowed to murder me in broad daylight, while my governor can seat in es mansion watching us get bombed on in 4K? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zorque@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Because youre sitting by yourself whining about it instead of forming an organized resistence? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] alapakala 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Nice projection, but what organized resistance have u formd? Iβm a black anarchist, I have people to feed, shelter, arm, & solidify for. permalink fedilink source parent [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago Yes. By yourself. Because when two people collaborate its called a government and one of them needs to be in charge permalink fedilink source parent
[β] kibblebits 6 points 4 months ago (7 children) Elaborate on working outside of the system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago (6 children) Don't beg. Do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] kibblebits 2 points 4 months ago (5 children) Like what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago (2 children) What do you want from your government? Your government won't do it. Do it your fucking self. I dunno. You want better schools? Start one, improve the ones that exist, whatever. You want safer streets? Start pouring concrete and slashing tires. You want asafe injection site? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] kibblebits -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) After you. Im guessing you donβt actually want any of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) None of those are exactly my issue, no (I was using standard talking points politicians appeal to people like you by promising, then forget on election night), but if someone got started on one of those projects and I had spare time, I'd pitch in. I do in fact do the shit I believe in. Goverent does not give you things. It gives you orders. It corrupts your intentions. Its very heart is rot. The actual stuff is done by people. Those people exist, they live on your street, in your building. Maybe you're one of them, if you're jot a completely bullshit professional managerial fuckhead with no skills-and even then you can learn shit (I did) or function as a warm body. The tools are around. Sometimes they're big and hard to diy/steal, sometimes itβs shit you've got laying around. permalink fedilink source parent [β] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Like the other said. Meet up with your neighbors and address those issues together as a community You can draw inspiration from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosfygika_of_Alexandras_avenue#Self-organised_structures permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] baines@lemmy.cafe 3 points 4 months ago cool can my neighbors make 3M two states over stop polluting my drinking water? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago (6 children) Don't beg. Do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] kibblebits 2 points 4 months ago (5 children) Like what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago (2 children) What do you want from your government? Your government won't do it. Do it your fucking self. I dunno. You want better schools? Start one, improve the ones that exist, whatever. You want safer streets? Start pouring concrete and slashing tires. You want asafe injection site? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] kibblebits -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) After you. Im guessing you donβt actually want any of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) None of those are exactly my issue, no (I was using standard talking points politicians appeal to people like you by promising, then forget on election night), but if someone got started on one of those projects and I had spare time, I'd pitch in. I do in fact do the shit I believe in. Goverent does not give you things. It gives you orders. It corrupts your intentions. Its very heart is rot. The actual stuff is done by people. Those people exist, they live on your street, in your building. Maybe you're one of them, if you're jot a completely bullshit professional managerial fuckhead with no skills-and even then you can learn shit (I did) or function as a warm body. The tools are around. Sometimes they're big and hard to diy/steal, sometimes itβs shit you've got laying around. permalink fedilink source parent [β] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Like the other said. Meet up with your neighbors and address those issues together as a community You can draw inspiration from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosfygika_of_Alexandras_avenue#Self-organised_structures permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] baines@lemmy.cafe 3 points 4 months ago cool can my neighbors make 3M two states over stop polluting my drinking water? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] kibblebits 2 points 4 months ago (5 children) Like what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago (2 children) What do you want from your government? Your government won't do it. Do it your fucking self. I dunno. You want better schools? Start one, improve the ones that exist, whatever. You want safer streets? Start pouring concrete and slashing tires. You want asafe injection site? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] kibblebits -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) After you. Im guessing you donβt actually want any of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) None of those are exactly my issue, no (I was using standard talking points politicians appeal to people like you by promising, then forget on election night), but if someone got started on one of those projects and I had spare time, I'd pitch in. I do in fact do the shit I believe in. Goverent does not give you things. It gives you orders. It corrupts your intentions. Its very heart is rot. The actual stuff is done by people. Those people exist, they live on your street, in your building. Maybe you're one of them, if you're jot a completely bullshit professional managerial fuckhead with no skills-and even then you can learn shit (I did) or function as a warm body. The tools are around. Sometimes they're big and hard to diy/steal, sometimes itβs shit you've got laying around. permalink fedilink source parent [β] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Like the other said. Meet up with your neighbors and address those issues together as a community You can draw inspiration from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosfygika_of_Alexandras_avenue#Self-organised_structures permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] baines@lemmy.cafe 3 points 4 months ago cool can my neighbors make 3M two states over stop polluting my drinking water? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago (2 children) What do you want from your government? Your government won't do it. Do it your fucking self. I dunno. You want better schools? Start one, improve the ones that exist, whatever. You want safer streets? Start pouring concrete and slashing tires. You want asafe injection site? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] kibblebits -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) After you. Im guessing you donβt actually want any of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) None of those are exactly my issue, no (I was using standard talking points politicians appeal to people like you by promising, then forget on election night), but if someone got started on one of those projects and I had spare time, I'd pitch in. I do in fact do the shit I believe in. Goverent does not give you things. It gives you orders. It corrupts your intentions. Its very heart is rot. The actual stuff is done by people. Those people exist, they live on your street, in your building. Maybe you're one of them, if you're jot a completely bullshit professional managerial fuckhead with no skills-and even then you can learn shit (I did) or function as a warm body. The tools are around. Sometimes they're big and hard to diy/steal, sometimes itβs shit you've got laying around. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] kibblebits -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) After you. Im guessing you donβt actually want any of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) None of those are exactly my issue, no (I was using standard talking points politicians appeal to people like you by promising, then forget on election night), but if someone got started on one of those projects and I had spare time, I'd pitch in. I do in fact do the shit I believe in. Goverent does not give you things. It gives you orders. It corrupts your intentions. Its very heart is rot. The actual stuff is done by people. Those people exist, they live on your street, in your building. Maybe you're one of them, if you're jot a completely bullshit professional managerial fuckhead with no skills-and even then you can learn shit (I did) or function as a warm body. The tools are around. Sometimes they're big and hard to diy/steal, sometimes itβs shit you've got laying around. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) None of those are exactly my issue, no (I was using standard talking points politicians appeal to people like you by promising, then forget on election night), but if someone got started on one of those projects and I had spare time, I'd pitch in. I do in fact do the shit I believe in. Goverent does not give you things. It gives you orders. It corrupts your intentions. Its very heart is rot. The actual stuff is done by people. Those people exist, they live on your street, in your building. Maybe you're one of them, if you're jot a completely bullshit professional managerial fuckhead with no skills-and even then you can learn shit (I did) or function as a warm body. The tools are around. Sometimes they're big and hard to diy/steal, sometimes itβs shit you've got laying around. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Like the other said. Meet up with your neighbors and address those issues together as a community You can draw inspiration from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosfygika_of_Alexandras_avenue#Self-organised_structures permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] baines@lemmy.cafe 3 points 4 months ago cool can my neighbors make 3M two states over stop polluting my drinking water? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] baines@lemmy.cafe 3 points 4 months ago cool can my neighbors make 3M two states over stop polluting my drinking water? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago Correct. But harm reduction is still valuable. You still need to vote, you just shouldn't pretend that voting alone is sufficient. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Zorque@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (6 children) Sure, if you only vote in general elections and only vote for federal positions. Local and primary elections allow for much more opportunity for change. But only if you participate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children) Not usually. Last time I voted in a local election the candidates every position looked like looked like: School board, two of the following candidates: Aaron Hitler(R): reverse integration, apply more discipline to students, stop paying teachers so damn much, get the globalist bankers out of our children's education! Phillipa Marinetti(D): replace teachers with ai, increase budget by 500%, turn all facilities into data centers and create a machine to feed the weakest children into for public entertainment! david yutani-vonweyland(independent): put the kids to work in our shiny new factory! Create jobs! Oh and Do we want to add more money to the can high speed rail fund to build high speed rail that my parents voted successfully to approve when I was a child? We gave all the money to elon musk. OOPSIE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Zorque@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (4 children) Sucks for you, i guess. But thats not true of everywhere, and often you can often help encourage better candidates by prosthelytizing your ideals to those around you. We do not live in vacuums, and treating every issue as something you have to solve completely by yourself is a recipe for failure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] alapakala 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Cripes, they are getting more anti social in their responses. Hey Zorque, if folks don't live in a vacuum, how come cops are allowed to murder me in broad daylight, while my governor can seat in es mansion watching us get bombed on in 4K? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zorque@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Because youre sitting by yourself whining about it instead of forming an organized resistence? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] alapakala 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Nice projection, but what organized resistance have u formd? Iβm a black anarchist, I have people to feed, shelter, arm, & solidify for. permalink fedilink source parent [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago Yes. By yourself. Because when two people collaborate its called a government and one of them needs to be in charge permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children) Not usually. Last time I voted in a local election the candidates every position looked like looked like: School board, two of the following candidates: Aaron Hitler(R): reverse integration, apply more discipline to students, stop paying teachers so damn much, get the globalist bankers out of our children's education! Phillipa Marinetti(D): replace teachers with ai, increase budget by 500%, turn all facilities into data centers and create a machine to feed the weakest children into for public entertainment! david yutani-vonweyland(independent): put the kids to work in our shiny new factory! Create jobs! Oh and Do we want to add more money to the can high speed rail fund to build high speed rail that my parents voted successfully to approve when I was a child? We gave all the money to elon musk. OOPSIE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Zorque@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (4 children) Sucks for you, i guess. But thats not true of everywhere, and often you can often help encourage better candidates by prosthelytizing your ideals to those around you. We do not live in vacuums, and treating every issue as something you have to solve completely by yourself is a recipe for failure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] alapakala 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Cripes, they are getting more anti social in their responses. Hey Zorque, if folks don't live in a vacuum, how come cops are allowed to murder me in broad daylight, while my governor can seat in es mansion watching us get bombed on in 4K? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zorque@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Because youre sitting by yourself whining about it instead of forming an organized resistence? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] alapakala 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Nice projection, but what organized resistance have u formd? Iβm a black anarchist, I have people to feed, shelter, arm, & solidify for. permalink fedilink source parent [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago Yes. By yourself. Because when two people collaborate its called a government and one of them needs to be in charge permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Zorque@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (4 children) Sucks for you, i guess. But thats not true of everywhere, and often you can often help encourage better candidates by prosthelytizing your ideals to those around you. We do not live in vacuums, and treating every issue as something you have to solve completely by yourself is a recipe for failure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] alapakala 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Cripes, they are getting more anti social in their responses. Hey Zorque, if folks don't live in a vacuum, how come cops are allowed to murder me in broad daylight, while my governor can seat in es mansion watching us get bombed on in 4K? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zorque@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Because youre sitting by yourself whining about it instead of forming an organized resistence? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] alapakala 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Nice projection, but what organized resistance have u formd? Iβm a black anarchist, I have people to feed, shelter, arm, & solidify for. permalink fedilink source parent [β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago Yes. By yourself. Because when two people collaborate its called a government and one of them needs to be in charge permalink fedilink source parent
[β] alapakala 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Cripes, they are getting more anti social in their responses. Hey Zorque, if folks don't live in a vacuum, how come cops are allowed to murder me in broad daylight, while my governor can seat in es mansion watching us get bombed on in 4K? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zorque@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Because youre sitting by yourself whining about it instead of forming an organized resistence? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] alapakala 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Nice projection, but what organized resistance have u formd? Iβm a black anarchist, I have people to feed, shelter, arm, & solidify for. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Zorque@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Because youre sitting by yourself whining about it instead of forming an organized resistence? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] alapakala 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Nice projection, but what organized resistance have u formd? Iβm a black anarchist, I have people to feed, shelter, arm, & solidify for. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] alapakala 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Nice projection, but what organized resistance have u formd? Iβm a black anarchist, I have people to feed, shelter, arm, & solidify for. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago Yes. By yourself. Because when two people collaborate its called a government and one of them needs to be in charge permalink fedilink source parent