▲ 334 ▼ western women rights (lemmy.ml) submitted 4 months ago by mathemachristian@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml 133 comments fedilink hide all child comments inspired by lemmitors at https://lemmy.ml/post/49343381 any guy in it just for women to wear skimpier clothing should probably be investigated.
[+] Zerush@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago* (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf -6 points 4 months ago Does Japan not have a functioning democracy? And what's wrong with Korea? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 months ago (4 children) Two pics mean nothing bro, do you think there are not women like in the picture above currently? And if that were the case, what do you think it happened in Iran during the '70's that caused this "issue" when it comes to religion? ahh, yeah, it's always the us empire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Zerush@lemmy.ml -15 points 4 months ago (3 children) It don't change anything, in any case is there a difference if a woman has the chois to wear a jihab or is forced to wear one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago i didnt understand what you tried to say permalink fedilink source parent [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 19 points 4 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zerush@lemmy.ml -8 points 4 months ago (1 child) I know this case, but it also change nothing of what I said, the difference between having the option to wear what you want and being forced to wear what other want. In extremis like in the case which you mencioned, irrelevant if it is a chador, hijab or western clothes. if it is against what the women want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zerush@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Yes, I understand perfectly, but it isn't the same. I know that society, fashion and other influences can push a women th use some clothings, but she isn't really forced by law to do it, she always has the choice, it's different in countries where a women is drastically punished if she don't wear a hijab or even a burka, even if she don't want to wear it. Sorry if YOU don't see the difference. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml [S] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children) This is framing of women in western clothing as more progressive vs women in hijab/chador is incredibly racist. It relies on Islamophobic stereotypes that play Islam as a less advanced civilization when compared to the rest. Please do not forget that the Iranian revolution that got rid of the shah was an internal, peoples revolution against a hostile empires marionette. The ayatollah was the synthesis of contradictions inherent to Iranian society and depicting current Iranian society as regressive compared to the Iranian society under the shah is effectively saying that westerners "know better" what the Iranian people need than the Iranian people themselves. This is racist. Whatever point you want to make against theocracy is lost in all the racist baggage that comes with the image. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Not discussing the racism part but the Iranian revolution was actually two-folds, like the Russian revolution. The first revolution was brought by a vast array of people, from islamists to communists. Many people hoped to keep their progressive way of life and to get political freedom on top if it. Way they got is a second revolution in the form of a swift consolidation of Khomeini's power and a theocracy, with political assassinations and vice squads. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ILikeToMeow@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago What ever problems the Iranians have is their own to figure out and solve unless they explicitly ask for help, and certainly not from Imperialist Liberals from the Global North playing white savior for the "poor, helpless, primitive SaVaGeS" in the form of more Western bombs dropping on their Childrens heads to "free" them (from this mortal coil) like you're doing them a favor and should thank you for it. /s permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf -6 points 4 months ago Does Japan not have a functioning democracy? And what's wrong with Korea? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf -6 points 4 months ago Does Japan not have a functioning democracy? And what's wrong with Korea? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf -6 points 4 months ago Does Japan not have a functioning democracy? And what's wrong with Korea? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf -6 points 4 months ago Does Japan not have a functioning democracy? And what's wrong with Korea? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf -6 points 4 months ago Does Japan not have a functioning democracy? And what's wrong with Korea? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf -6 points 4 months ago Does Japan not have a functioning democracy? And what's wrong with Korea? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 months ago (4 children) Two pics mean nothing bro, do you think there are not women like in the picture above currently? And if that were the case, what do you think it happened in Iran during the '70's that caused this "issue" when it comes to religion? ahh, yeah, it's always the us empire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Zerush@lemmy.ml -15 points 4 months ago (3 children) It don't change anything, in any case is there a difference if a woman has the chois to wear a jihab or is forced to wear one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago i didnt understand what you tried to say permalink fedilink source parent [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 19 points 4 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zerush@lemmy.ml -8 points 4 months ago (1 child) I know this case, but it also change nothing of what I said, the difference between having the option to wear what you want and being forced to wear what other want. In extremis like in the case which you mencioned, irrelevant if it is a chador, hijab or western clothes. if it is against what the women want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zerush@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Yes, I understand perfectly, but it isn't the same. I know that society, fashion and other influences can push a women th use some clothings, but she isn't really forced by law to do it, she always has the choice, it's different in countries where a women is drastically punished if she don't wear a hijab or even a burka, even if she don't want to wear it. Sorry if YOU don't see the difference. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Zerush@lemmy.ml -15 points 4 months ago (3 children) It don't change anything, in any case is there a difference if a woman has the chois to wear a jihab or is forced to wear one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago i didnt understand what you tried to say permalink fedilink source parent [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 19 points 4 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zerush@lemmy.ml -8 points 4 months ago (1 child) I know this case, but it also change nothing of what I said, the difference between having the option to wear what you want and being forced to wear what other want. In extremis like in the case which you mencioned, irrelevant if it is a chador, hijab or western clothes. if it is against what the women want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zerush@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Yes, I understand perfectly, but it isn't the same. I know that society, fashion and other influences can push a women th use some clothings, but she isn't really forced by law to do it, she always has the choice, it's different in countries where a women is drastically punished if she don't wear a hijab or even a burka, even if she don't want to wear it. Sorry if YOU don't see the difference. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago i didnt understand what you tried to say permalink fedilink source parent
[+] hamid@crazypeople.online 19 points 4 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zerush@lemmy.ml -8 points 4 months ago (1 child) I know this case, but it also change nothing of what I said, the difference between having the option to wear what you want and being forced to wear what other want. In extremis like in the case which you mencioned, irrelevant if it is a chador, hijab or western clothes. if it is against what the women want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zerush@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Yes, I understand perfectly, but it isn't the same. I know that society, fashion and other influences can push a women th use some clothings, but she isn't really forced by law to do it, she always has the choice, it's different in countries where a women is drastically punished if she don't wear a hijab or even a burka, even if she don't want to wear it. Sorry if YOU don't see the difference. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Zerush@lemmy.ml -8 points 4 months ago (1 child) I know this case, but it also change nothing of what I said, the difference between having the option to wear what you want and being forced to wear what other want. In extremis like in the case which you mencioned, irrelevant if it is a chador, hijab or western clothes. if it is against what the women want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zerush@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Yes, I understand perfectly, but it isn't the same. I know that society, fashion and other influences can push a women th use some clothings, but she isn't really forced by law to do it, she always has the choice, it's different in countries where a women is drastically punished if she don't wear a hijab or even a burka, even if she don't want to wear it. Sorry if YOU don't see the difference. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zerush@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Yes, I understand perfectly, but it isn't the same. I know that society, fashion and other influences can push a women th use some clothings, but she isn't really forced by law to do it, she always has the choice, it's different in countries where a women is drastically punished if she don't wear a hijab or even a burka, even if she don't want to wear it. Sorry if YOU don't see the difference. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Yes, I understand perfectly, but it isn't the same. I know that society, fashion and other influences can push a women th use some clothings, but she isn't really forced by law to do it, she always has the choice, it's different in countries where a women is drastically punished if she don't wear a hijab or even a burka, even if she don't want to wear it. Sorry if YOU don't see the difference. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml [S] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children) This is framing of women in western clothing as more progressive vs women in hijab/chador is incredibly racist. It relies on Islamophobic stereotypes that play Islam as a less advanced civilization when compared to the rest. Please do not forget that the Iranian revolution that got rid of the shah was an internal, peoples revolution against a hostile empires marionette. The ayatollah was the synthesis of contradictions inherent to Iranian society and depicting current Iranian society as regressive compared to the Iranian society under the shah is effectively saying that westerners "know better" what the Iranian people need than the Iranian people themselves. This is racist. Whatever point you want to make against theocracy is lost in all the racist baggage that comes with the image. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Not discussing the racism part but the Iranian revolution was actually two-folds, like the Russian revolution. The first revolution was brought by a vast array of people, from islamists to communists. Many people hoped to keep their progressive way of life and to get political freedom on top if it. Way they got is a second revolution in the form of a swift consolidation of Khomeini's power and a theocracy, with political assassinations and vice squads. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ILikeToMeow@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago What ever problems the Iranians have is their own to figure out and solve unless they explicitly ask for help, and certainly not from Imperialist Liberals from the Global North playing white savior for the "poor, helpless, primitive SaVaGeS" in the form of more Western bombs dropping on their Childrens heads to "free" them (from this mortal coil) like you're doing them a favor and should thank you for it. /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Not discussing the racism part but the Iranian revolution was actually two-folds, like the Russian revolution. The first revolution was brought by a vast array of people, from islamists to communists. Many people hoped to keep their progressive way of life and to get political freedom on top if it. Way they got is a second revolution in the form of a swift consolidation of Khomeini's power and a theocracy, with political assassinations and vice squads. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ILikeToMeow@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago What ever problems the Iranians have is their own to figure out and solve unless they explicitly ask for help, and certainly not from Imperialist Liberals from the Global North playing white savior for the "poor, helpless, primitive SaVaGeS" in the form of more Western bombs dropping on their Childrens heads to "free" them (from this mortal coil) like you're doing them a favor and should thank you for it. /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeToMeow@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago What ever problems the Iranians have is their own to figure out and solve unless they explicitly ask for help, and certainly not from Imperialist Liberals from the Global North playing white savior for the "poor, helpless, primitive SaVaGeS" in the form of more Western bombs dropping on their Childrens heads to "free" them (from this mortal coil) like you're doing them a favor and should thank you for it. /s permalink fedilink source parent