Tiger Woods cheating texts
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  • [–] 83 points 4 months ago (37 children)

    If you think an hour between text messages is "the silent treatment" then you're just neurotic and clingy

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  • [–] 63 points 4 months ago (35 children)

    ping "Oh yeah I never replied"

    Happens all the time, especially having an adult life with kids.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (27 children)

    You're right. In fact, I suspect Jaimee wanting to watch "desperate housewives" was her asking to watch secret footage Woods recorded of his wife Elin Nordegren whenever she was distressed. Utterly depraved.


    Edit: Joking aside, "the benefit of the doubt" implies there's doubt, but you're manufacturing the doubt. People in a normal, healthy headspace do not think this way about text messages.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (25 children)

    Are you seriously just going to dodge these accusations of Woods recording his distraught wife for his mistress' amusement? Is there something you're not telling us about your own cruel voyeurism?

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    No one is defending Tiger. They're telling you your argument is flawed. Just because someone is a shitty person doesn't give you blanket license to make every kind of strawman about them.

    That's terrible logic, and resorting to "Oh, so you're defending him?!!" any time someone disagrees with you is no more valid.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (22 children)

    For what it's worth, when I read into these texts I come away with them both being pretty much shitty.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    So we can make up anything we want about Tiger Woods, and no one can disagree because then they would be defending a cheater?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    "We’re just reading the situation differently."

    I've noticed you use that as a cop-out a lot whenever someone calls out your flawed arguments.

    There's "reading the situation differently" and there's "blatantly fallacious logic being used to justify a moral pedestal."

    After all the grandstanding you do while casting shame on anyone who disagrees with you, you don't get to backtrack by saying "Oh, we're just reading the situation differently." No, there's such thing as "You're just wrong."

    Being able to admit when you've been wrong is a strength, not a weakness. It's okay to let go of your feelings of moral supremacy, they're not serving you.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Fallacious arguments aren't "wrong-think," and waiting an hour before responding to a text isn't "silent treatment."

    Sometimes, a person is just wrong, and you don't get to arbitrarily call people sexist just to defend a wrong position.

    Nobody here is defending Tiger's behavior, they're just saying waiting an hour between texts isn't silent treatment.

    Critique him on any number of shitty behaviors, but not responding within an hour isn't one.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Nope. Scroll up and read my first comment where I clearly state I'm not defending him because he's a magat piece of shit (in addition to the DUIs and infidelity).

    But just because someone is a bad person doesn't mean you can make up whatever you want about him. That's called an ad hominem, and is an obvious fallacy.

    What I'm saying isn't "actually I think Tiger's behavior in general is okay." What I'm saying is "It's perfectly fine to not respond to a text within an hour, and focusing your ire on that is missing the point."

    People can take an hour or more to respond to a text. Just because Tiger's a shitty person doesn't mean waiting an hour to respond is what makes him shitty. Nazis ate food every day, does that mean everyone who eats food is a nazi?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    He can't control how she feels. For all the arguments that women are preconditioned by society to already be placating by default, to turn around and assume that the particular guy in question is the reason she feels the need to be placating is kinda disconnected from the broader feminist narrative.

    Unless you cherry-pick every situation based on what suits your preconceived notions the best, in which case what actually sets you apart from a maga? That's literally the same thing they do, and it's not made less disingenuous by the fact that there's a kernel of truth to it (i.e., Tiger is a shitty person, but the particular argument you're making is still disingenuous)

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not emotionally invested at all, that sounds like something you're imagining.

    You want to claim im doing ad-hominem

    All I pointed out was that it's an ad hominem to attack an innocuous action just because the person is a jerk. That's literally what an ad hominem is. I wasn't "claiming" anything, just stating the simple truth.

    while calling me MAGA for not reading into these texts the same way you have.

    I didn't "call" you maga, I said you're using the same disingenuous and irrational style of argumentation that they use.

    Trust me it is not that serious.

    If it's not that serious then why are you and Velma making a big deal out of the fact that he took an hour to respond? I'd agree that it's not that serious, but you're the one trying to make a mountain out of that molehill, so don't DARVO me about taking it too seriously.

    Women have been generally conditioned into being placative because it keeps them from getting hurt.

    Yeah, isn't that what I just said? That kinda contradicts your previous point that it's somehow his fault that she feels the need to be placating.

    At least maintain consistency in your arguments instead of contradicting yourself whenever it seems convenient for you.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    No one has a grudge against you, you just have a habit of making disingenuous arguments and then resorting to pedestal standing when people push back.

    You can't just hide behind "I'm a woman, so you can't disagree with me!" That clearly doesn't work whenever a woman disagrees with you, as we've already seen before.

    Just because you're wrong about something doesn't mean everyone disagreeing with you is having "group think." And it's not sexist to disagree with you when you make a bad argument.

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  • [–] 48 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (23 children)

    You're extrapolating way too much from these six texts. Like Tiger Woods is not a good person, but you're seriously just assuming way too much here even accounting for that.

    These were leaked by the New York Post in December 2009, so the lack of a year indicates September 30, 2009. (Woods was cheating with Jaimee from about April 2007 to December 2009.) I can think of a million reasons why a celebrity athlete in the middle of a Wednesday might not get back to their secret love affair via text for over an hour, let alone in an era where a text message was socially even less urgent than it is today.

    Unless it's obviously urgent, waiting an hour between messages is 100% normal; it's a text message.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (21 children)

    Nah, the unknownmuncher got it right before I did: if you think an hour between text messages is "the silent treatment", you need to seriously reevaluate how you treat text messages.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Yeah, if there were a pattern of that, I might agree. You're taking a single data point and extrapolating way beyond reason. If you look at the rest of the texts, there's nothing to suggest he treated her like you're suggesting, and even if we didn't have those other texts, there are just a million reasons why someone might've not gotten back until that third message. You're chalking up what's exceedingly likely just a coincidence (again, it's an hour) to malice.

    There's literally even another text that reads: "don’t text me back till tomorrow morning. I have to many people around me right now". Like this is an obvious problem for anyone cheating, let alone a celebrity. It was, again, the middle of a Wednesday; there's no reason to expect Woods wasn't just, like, a little busy for an hour. (Edit: I personally did this yesterday, realizing I outright forgot to reply.)

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    We don't know that's what he did, there aren't even timestamps on this. If I text you a joke now, and then don't get anything back, and then I send you a follow-up text saying "I was just joking", and then sometime after that you get back to your phone and see the joke and the follow-up, no one can assume you only texted because of the follow-up.

    Maybe you got my first one and said "screw them" and waited for an apology, maybe you didn't get the first one until after the second had been sent and saw them both together and replied to both, or maybe you saw the first and went "heh" but forgot to actually respond to me in the moment, and it wasn't until after the second came through that you went "ah shit, right"

    But only the receiver can know which is which.

    Anyways! I don't give a shit about Tiger Woods, I just hate miscommunication and assumptions of ill-intent, and I've seen first hand too many times a person who is more connected drawing all sorts of conclusions for what a silence might mean, or how mad someone must be, or reading into a gap that simply isn't there. The receiver just is doing something, they're not on their couch staring at their phone, and the sender is spinning out all sorts of stories to explain how they're being ignored or attacked. It's anxiety.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Where did I defend him? All I said was you are projecting. Which you are. So are the people you're arguing with. He may have been leaving her on read because he was pissed like you say or he may have done it because he had other shit going on while he was texting her and got distracted. Either is a perfectly plausible explanation.

    I don't hate women. Tiger Woods is an asshole. You're a hypocrite.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Because you're presenting one side of it as if it's the truth. Acting like "the silent treatment" is the only reason a person may be delayed in responding to a text is toxic as fuck.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Of the things to get upset about with tiger woods, this communication thing is an odd one.
    Someone makes a joke. You chuckle and go back to what you were doing, or you don't chuckle and still go back to what you were doing. They send another message that makes you realize they expected a response and took your lack of response the wrong way, so you reply telling them you knew they were joking.

    Not every message needs a reply, to say nothing of an immediate one. How would you have had him reply?

    Do you reply to every message immediately?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Nope, seems a bit wrong to me. I just don't see that behavior in this interchange.

    No one has alleged he's that type of asshole, so I see no reason to assume he is. Not every period of silence is the "silent treatment", and responding after someone apologized isn't the same as not responding until they apologized.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    That's certainly what I said isn't it?

    Do you have any reason to believe he's the emotionally abusive type of asshole?

    Doing something wrong doesn't mean everything they do is wrong.

    Hell, we have more evidence for him being the victim of abuse than the perpetrator.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Extramarital affairs are bad, but they're not the same as punishing someone for a joke you don't appreciate. And not responding to a text with a joke you didn't find funny is only dubiously that.
    Infidelity can be abusive if used as a tool of power, control, or harm. Not all hurtful or disrespectful acts are intrinsically abusive.

    I take it you weren't paying much attention during the whole thing?

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2009/11/why-tiger-s-not-talking-about-his-accident.html

    Tldr: initial reports indicated that she hit his car and attacked him with a golf club before the crash. Police stated alcohol didn't play a role in the crash. He denied any claims of domestic violence and says she smashed both of his back windows to help him out of the car.

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  • [+] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (17 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (14 children)

    You’re still mad about people playing forehead tic tac toe on an image of an anonymous woman with lashes drawn on her face above her eyes?

    The woman in the original picture likely did it as a joke herself. It’s ok to laugh at people (men and women) being ridiculous.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Cope? You can’t possibly believe she was serious with this:

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    No, she probably originally posted it to IG or Twitter for people to laugh at, and to possibly to get a rise out of dummies thinking she was for real.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    You want me to want that so bad. You’re projecting.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    You are too! Why can’t we stop?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I dunno what all these people are on about, I see it too. The joke from the picture is literally him giving her the silent treatment as the joke.

    To me, though, it was less icky and manipulative, but more, he's cheating and doesn't really give a shit about her. Like, my unease was more from his final response that seems universal for somebody who's only in it for the ass. Which is basically the same thing, but still different. One is manipulative, the other is just that they're aren't on the same page about what their relationship is. Right? You can't be manipulative if it's really fucking obvious that you aren't interested in what they're saying and aren't even trying to hide it. Well, you can... But... Yeah.... okay, I tried; It's gross and manipulative.

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