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You may not like it, but this is what peak democracy looks like (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 12 points 5 months ago (32 children)

This totally makes sense if we consider the fact that many westerners don't consider nonwesterners to be people.

Colonizers can't choose the presidents of sovereign nations anymore, the people there do the choosing now, and that makes the colonizers furious.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (31 children)

    I'm confused by the comment? Putin is trying to colonize Ukraine. Putin mad because they had a free election to elect the person who is holding his own against an ageing wana be world power in a war going on for years that was supposed to be over in days. Also Putin rig's his own elections so him demanding is bit well, fix your own shit before you fix someone else. Oh wait Putin does fix his own elections.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    You're overthinking it, my comment was purely about the picture you posted

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    And the picture was about the issue at hand

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Nope, it wasn't.

    You know the meme with the donkey with swirly eyes screaming "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA"?

    That's what the picture reminded me of.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Nobody who understands how elections work would ever post this.

    It's embarassing, and quite obviously centered around Zelenskyy, with also unfair title, as if it's his fault.

    It's not, fuck you and anyone who defends this.

    And yes, the whole ML is such a sad excuse of a russian propaganda.

    If there was ever a psyop to bury any chance of a communist revolution, this is it.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Why would Marxism-Leninism be a psyop to prevent communist revolution when it's been by far the most successful ideology and methodology for establishing socialism in history?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Communists are a psyop to turn you against the guys wearing swastikas and killing 14,000 unarmed people, because there will never be a communist revolution if we don't support those guys.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (22 children)

    The Russian Federation is not trying to colonize Ukraine. Their goal is NATO neutrality, and annexation of the four oblasts, which are largely pro-Russian. This is a response to the ethnic repressions against Russians in the Donbass following the coup of Yanukovych in 2014, and the ensuing secession of Donetsk and Luhansk and the civil war that followed.

    The war was never supposed to be over in days. This was circulated as a means to humiliate Russia, but all talks of an attack lasting days either came from many years before 2022, or from the west.

    As for Putin rigging elections, this might be true, but we also know that he is legitimately popular in Russia. The nationalists are most popular, followed by the communists. The pro-western liberals like Navalny was are in the minority and have no real support base.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    This goes against my current view of the situation. The NATO expansion is somewhat understandable, not enough for a war perhaps, but unsure.

    Care to point me in the direction to read more about this?

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    What in particular do you question? It's a complex and ongoing subject, so there's no one-stop shop for it. The closest I can do is point you to threads like this one.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Thanks, exactly what I was looking for! 😄 As a Norwegian pretty much everyone sides with Ukraine, and I have not really challenged that view for myself. I have just accepted the narrative "Russia = imperialistic & bad. Ukraine = democracy & good". So it's probably a good idea to try to understand it

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Feels morally wrong to intentionally seek out the aggressors propaganda.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    To be honest I've been trying to avoid that as well. Impossible to completely stay free of the bombardment of the Official Opinion, but I mostly read local newspapers and skip any opinion pieces on international matters in those too. So I have enough stress knowing there is a war, I don't need to hear bullshit justifications from any side, and maybe aside from going to demonstrations I can't do anything to stop it anyway, so I'd rather not blast my brain with power politics I cannot change.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    Understandable! It's one of the more difficult topics for westerners like us to grasp, and it took me some time to come around to the ML consensus on the Russian Federation (ie, it isn't imperialist if we accept Lenin's analysis, and actually is anti imperialist even if run by bourgeois oligarchs).

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    The amounts of war crimes alone, even if we were to accept that whole 'supressing NATO' excuse, which is bullshit, are enough to stop any goodwill towards Russia.

    Wiki article with the whole Putin talk video

    It was bullshit all along, and Ukraine would ignore NATO if Russia left it alone, which they never did, and ignored previous peace deals, yada yada, you don't care anyway.

    Talking about popularity in any state without free media is always a joke, including in US.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Ukraine would ignore NATO if Russia left it alone

    It's entirely not Ukraine's choice. The west through institutes like the NED couped the government in 2014 with this end goal in mind (a spear tip against Russia and another block in the containment). If the banderites through some act of god decided to return to being neutral like yanukovych they'd just get couped again and replaced with the next down the list group happy to sacrifice as many Ukrainians as it takes to satisfy their western backers.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Kiev has committed massive numbers of war crimes. If your point is that committing war crimes should be a measuring stick, and the side with fewer war crimes is correct, then this is horribly reductive. Ukraine was fine with Russia until the west backed a coup in 2014 and empowered neofascists, this is why the whole civil war erupted and transitioned to war with Russia in 2022.

    As for popularity, no state has "free media." The people legitimately support Putin, in general, though the communists have been gaining ground.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    What war crimes has Ukraine commited?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

    From the thread I linked elsewhere:

    Essentially, killing civilians, torturing prisoners, shelling civilian areas, similar tactics to the IDF with respect to the Donbass. Makes sense considering Israel and Ukraine occupy similar roles for western imperialism, both are staunch allies, and both are run by fascists.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Yes, let's go decade ago to fish something out.

    Meanwhile Russia is commiting tens of thousands of them in this conflict alone.

    Fuck off.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    The war has been going on for over a decade, history didn't start in 2022. Ukraine is regularly shelling civilian populations, just the other day they murdered a dozen teenage girls in a shelling attack. The Statesian/Zionist attack on Minab Elementary School comes to mind as a parallel.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Deflecting, deflecting, deflecting, never admitting for a second that Russia is doing attrocities.

    Get lost.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Russia has committed war crimes, I never said otherwise. You asked for evidence of Ukraine committing war crimes, and I gave that evidence. I also explained that treating war crimes like a measuring stick is horribly reductive, you've deflected beyond the central question of self determination for the Donbass region.

    I've done absolutely nothing wrong. Caping for neofascists like you're doing isn't received well here.

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  • [+] -13 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Wow, it's like I'm on reddit all over again. Propaganda hits hard.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Can you elaborate? Since when did Reddit have a sizable communist userbase?

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  • [+] -10 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    I said the absolute contrary. There's nothing communist about Russia nowadays. It's as capitalist as it gets.

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