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[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (25 children) Are advertisers absolutely necessary? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago* (6 children) Advertisers are essentially subsidizing many businesses. Costs are higher than you think and most products we enjoy are expensive. Yes, there is FOSS, but you’re essentially fucking lucky that people that work on those want to do this from the passion they have. Most people don’t, and won’t, do shit like that for free. Hell, look at many here on the internet that want products for free and are unwilling to pay or even do minimal donations for things that they already like. Like it or not, most people want to be fucking paid for their time and FOSS, as great as it can be, is not the norm for most talent. We can make counter arguments and hate on capitalism, but that is the reality, and until entire cultures change then this is what it is and advertisers are sort of necessary evil in most cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago Lots of FOSS developers are paid by companies. At least people working on the major projects. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Even all those websites that are serving content illegally, like porn and game pirating sites, only can afford to stay up because of advertising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago It can't cost that much to host a piracy website. Worst case scenario, we go to Telegram. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (2 children) My question is whether websites need to be owned by businesses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) No but the end of internet advertising will basically be the end of many internet professions that are already struggling. Like writers and editors. So only hobbyists and the lucky few who have enough fame to get paid via Patreon will be making certain websites. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* Tbf that's how it was a couple decades ago. Also, writers and editors aren't internet professions. They can go back to newspapers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (8 children) Few online platforms flourish without advertisers. Practically all our content on lemmy comes from sites with advertising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (7 children) I'm sure people would create content even if they didn't make anything. They did in the past. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago (6 children) mmhmm, give us your top 10 Peertube reccomendations :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) I just tried to sign up for Peertube because this comment reminded me The only site with any videos on it (Fediverse.TV) doesn't allow signups. Neither does the default instance (Peertube.TV). Tragically, Web3 cryptoshit MAHA platform "Odyssey" was much more functional when I tried to use it, before realizing what kind of content dominated there. EDIT: Finally found one that let me create an account: Why create an account? As you've probably noticed, creating an account is not necessary to watch videos on Tube Free. However, creating an account on Tube Free will allow you to: Comment on videos Subscribe to channels and receive notifications of new videos Have access to your watch history ...So even with an account, I can't upload videos? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) you can, there are hundreds of nodes. to be fair there are probably 10's of thousands of videos, but ... they're almost all poor quality or just uninteresting If all my time there i've found a couple music channels and a couple of linux people. There's no money in it, so none of the creators put any real time into anything over there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago There's tons of creators on YouTube who post content without receiving any money just for the joy of the game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Top 5 recommendations uploaded on YouTube before monetization: Me at the zoo Chocolate rain Charlie bit my finger Rickroll Diet coke and mentos permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) The trick with that was that there was no monetization yet. That cat's out of the bag. Seriously, there are multiple platforms out there with no monetization, and they're hardly used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The cat can be put back into the bag. They’re hardly used because there are multiple platforms out there with monetization. They only lose to the competition. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago Maybe advertisers are bots too? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Yes because people are cheap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Not necessarily. Sometimes people just can't afford to pay websites. permalink fedilink source parent [–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (5 children) Literally everything on the internet is paid for by advertising. And without it every site you rely upon will either become a subscription service or simply disappear because it is expensive to run a website. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) Why is it so expensive to run a website? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RaccoonBall@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Scale. Running a website is very cheap, like $5 a month Running a huge website with millions of users is expensive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Also salaries. Like the people who make the content also need to get paid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago Because bandwidth isn't free. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago Server hosting - is my understanding. It takes a lot of resources to host a site. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago* (6 children) Advertisers are essentially subsidizing many businesses. Costs are higher than you think and most products we enjoy are expensive. Yes, there is FOSS, but you’re essentially fucking lucky that people that work on those want to do this from the passion they have. Most people don’t, and won’t, do shit like that for free. Hell, look at many here on the internet that want products for free and are unwilling to pay or even do minimal donations for things that they already like. Like it or not, most people want to be fucking paid for their time and FOSS, as great as it can be, is not the norm for most talent. We can make counter arguments and hate on capitalism, but that is the reality, and until entire cultures change then this is what it is and advertisers are sort of necessary evil in most cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago Lots of FOSS developers are paid by companies. At least people working on the major projects. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Even all those websites that are serving content illegally, like porn and game pirating sites, only can afford to stay up because of advertising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago It can't cost that much to host a piracy website. Worst case scenario, we go to Telegram. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (2 children) My question is whether websites need to be owned by businesses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) No but the end of internet advertising will basically be the end of many internet professions that are already struggling. Like writers and editors. So only hobbyists and the lucky few who have enough fame to get paid via Patreon will be making certain websites. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* Tbf that's how it was a couple decades ago. Also, writers and editors aren't internet professions. They can go back to newspapers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago Lots of FOSS developers are paid by companies. At least people working on the major projects. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Even all those websites that are serving content illegally, like porn and game pirating sites, only can afford to stay up because of advertising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago It can't cost that much to host a piracy website. Worst case scenario, we go to Telegram. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago It can't cost that much to host a piracy website. Worst case scenario, we go to Telegram. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (2 children) My question is whether websites need to be owned by businesses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) No but the end of internet advertising will basically be the end of many internet professions that are already struggling. Like writers and editors. So only hobbyists and the lucky few who have enough fame to get paid via Patreon will be making certain websites. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* Tbf that's how it was a couple decades ago. Also, writers and editors aren't internet professions. They can go back to newspapers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) No but the end of internet advertising will basically be the end of many internet professions that are already struggling. Like writers and editors. So only hobbyists and the lucky few who have enough fame to get paid via Patreon will be making certain websites. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* Tbf that's how it was a couple decades ago. Also, writers and editors aren't internet professions. They can go back to newspapers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* Tbf that's how it was a couple decades ago. Also, writers and editors aren't internet professions. They can go back to newspapers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (8 children) Few online platforms flourish without advertisers. Practically all our content on lemmy comes from sites with advertising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (7 children) I'm sure people would create content even if they didn't make anything. They did in the past. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago (6 children) mmhmm, give us your top 10 Peertube reccomendations :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) I just tried to sign up for Peertube because this comment reminded me The only site with any videos on it (Fediverse.TV) doesn't allow signups. Neither does the default instance (Peertube.TV). Tragically, Web3 cryptoshit MAHA platform "Odyssey" was much more functional when I tried to use it, before realizing what kind of content dominated there. EDIT: Finally found one that let me create an account: Why create an account? As you've probably noticed, creating an account is not necessary to watch videos on Tube Free. However, creating an account on Tube Free will allow you to: Comment on videos Subscribe to channels and receive notifications of new videos Have access to your watch history ...So even with an account, I can't upload videos? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) you can, there are hundreds of nodes. to be fair there are probably 10's of thousands of videos, but ... they're almost all poor quality or just uninteresting If all my time there i've found a couple music channels and a couple of linux people. There's no money in it, so none of the creators put any real time into anything over there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago There's tons of creators on YouTube who post content without receiving any money just for the joy of the game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Top 5 recommendations uploaded on YouTube before monetization: Me at the zoo Chocolate rain Charlie bit my finger Rickroll Diet coke and mentos permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) The trick with that was that there was no monetization yet. That cat's out of the bag. Seriously, there are multiple platforms out there with no monetization, and they're hardly used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The cat can be put back into the bag. They’re hardly used because there are multiple platforms out there with monetization. They only lose to the competition. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (7 children) I'm sure people would create content even if they didn't make anything. They did in the past. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago (6 children) mmhmm, give us your top 10 Peertube reccomendations :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) I just tried to sign up for Peertube because this comment reminded me The only site with any videos on it (Fediverse.TV) doesn't allow signups. Neither does the default instance (Peertube.TV). Tragically, Web3 cryptoshit MAHA platform "Odyssey" was much more functional when I tried to use it, before realizing what kind of content dominated there. EDIT: Finally found one that let me create an account: Why create an account? As you've probably noticed, creating an account is not necessary to watch videos on Tube Free. However, creating an account on Tube Free will allow you to: Comment on videos Subscribe to channels and receive notifications of new videos Have access to your watch history ...So even with an account, I can't upload videos? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) you can, there are hundreds of nodes. to be fair there are probably 10's of thousands of videos, but ... they're almost all poor quality or just uninteresting If all my time there i've found a couple music channels and a couple of linux people. There's no money in it, so none of the creators put any real time into anything over there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago There's tons of creators on YouTube who post content without receiving any money just for the joy of the game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Top 5 recommendations uploaded on YouTube before monetization: Me at the zoo Chocolate rain Charlie bit my finger Rickroll Diet coke and mentos permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) The trick with that was that there was no monetization yet. That cat's out of the bag. Seriously, there are multiple platforms out there with no monetization, and they're hardly used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The cat can be put back into the bag. They’re hardly used because there are multiple platforms out there with monetization. They only lose to the competition. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago (6 children) mmhmm, give us your top 10 Peertube reccomendations :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) I just tried to sign up for Peertube because this comment reminded me The only site with any videos on it (Fediverse.TV) doesn't allow signups. Neither does the default instance (Peertube.TV). Tragically, Web3 cryptoshit MAHA platform "Odyssey" was much more functional when I tried to use it, before realizing what kind of content dominated there. EDIT: Finally found one that let me create an account: Why create an account? As you've probably noticed, creating an account is not necessary to watch videos on Tube Free. However, creating an account on Tube Free will allow you to: Comment on videos Subscribe to channels and receive notifications of new videos Have access to your watch history ...So even with an account, I can't upload videos? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) you can, there are hundreds of nodes. to be fair there are probably 10's of thousands of videos, but ... they're almost all poor quality or just uninteresting If all my time there i've found a couple music channels and a couple of linux people. There's no money in it, so none of the creators put any real time into anything over there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago There's tons of creators on YouTube who post content without receiving any money just for the joy of the game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Top 5 recommendations uploaded on YouTube before monetization: Me at the zoo Chocolate rain Charlie bit my finger Rickroll Diet coke and mentos permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) The trick with that was that there was no monetization yet. That cat's out of the bag. Seriously, there are multiple platforms out there with no monetization, and they're hardly used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The cat can be put back into the bag. They’re hardly used because there are multiple platforms out there with monetization. They only lose to the competition. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) I just tried to sign up for Peertube because this comment reminded me The only site with any videos on it (Fediverse.TV) doesn't allow signups. Neither does the default instance (Peertube.TV). Tragically, Web3 cryptoshit MAHA platform "Odyssey" was much more functional when I tried to use it, before realizing what kind of content dominated there. EDIT: Finally found one that let me create an account: Why create an account? As you've probably noticed, creating an account is not necessary to watch videos on Tube Free. However, creating an account on Tube Free will allow you to: Comment on videos Subscribe to channels and receive notifications of new videos Have access to your watch history ...So even with an account, I can't upload videos? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) you can, there are hundreds of nodes. to be fair there are probably 10's of thousands of videos, but ... they're almost all poor quality or just uninteresting If all my time there i've found a couple music channels and a couple of linux people. There's no money in it, so none of the creators put any real time into anything over there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago There's tons of creators on YouTube who post content without receiving any money just for the joy of the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) you can, there are hundreds of nodes. to be fair there are probably 10's of thousands of videos, but ... they're almost all poor quality or just uninteresting If all my time there i've found a couple music channels and a couple of linux people. There's no money in it, so none of the creators put any real time into anything over there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago There's tons of creators on YouTube who post content without receiving any money just for the joy of the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago There's tons of creators on YouTube who post content without receiving any money just for the joy of the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Top 5 recommendations uploaded on YouTube before monetization: Me at the zoo Chocolate rain Charlie bit my finger Rickroll Diet coke and mentos permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) The trick with that was that there was no monetization yet. That cat's out of the bag. Seriously, there are multiple platforms out there with no monetization, and they're hardly used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The cat can be put back into the bag. They’re hardly used because there are multiple platforms out there with monetization. They only lose to the competition. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) The trick with that was that there was no monetization yet. That cat's out of the bag. Seriously, there are multiple platforms out there with no monetization, and they're hardly used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The cat can be put back into the bag. They’re hardly used because there are multiple platforms out there with monetization. They only lose to the competition. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The cat can be put back into the bag. They’re hardly used because there are multiple platforms out there with monetization. They only lose to the competition. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago Maybe advertisers are bots too? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Yes because people are cheap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Not necessarily. Sometimes people just can't afford to pay websites. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Not necessarily. Sometimes people just can't afford to pay websites. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (5 children) Literally everything on the internet is paid for by advertising. And without it every site you rely upon will either become a subscription service or simply disappear because it is expensive to run a website. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) Why is it so expensive to run a website? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RaccoonBall@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Scale. Running a website is very cheap, like $5 a month Running a huge website with millions of users is expensive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Also salaries. Like the people who make the content also need to get paid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago Because bandwidth isn't free. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago Server hosting - is my understanding. It takes a lot of resources to host a site. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) Why is it so expensive to run a website? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RaccoonBall@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Scale. Running a website is very cheap, like $5 a month Running a huge website with millions of users is expensive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Also salaries. Like the people who make the content also need to get paid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago Because bandwidth isn't free. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago Server hosting - is my understanding. It takes a lot of resources to host a site. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RaccoonBall@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Scale. Running a website is very cheap, like $5 a month Running a huge website with millions of users is expensive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Also salaries. Like the people who make the content also need to get paid. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Also salaries. Like the people who make the content also need to get paid. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago Because bandwidth isn't free. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago Server hosting - is my understanding. It takes a lot of resources to host a site. permalink fedilink source parent