▲ 128 ▼ Kremlin outraged by detention of Russian shadow fleet tanker, calls it "piracy" (www.pravda.com.ua) submitted 5 months ago by MashedHobbits@lemy.lol to c/world 57 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Jiral@lemmy.org 2 points 5 months ago* (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (8 children) You are saying that a XY country could have a law where it says that it's fine to seize any ship in international waters and thus it's all good and legal then when it does so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Jiral@lemmy.org 2 points 5 months ago* (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) That was not your question. Your question was if it was piracy and it is clearly not, based on your own legal quote. Are you ready to agree to that or still denying it? You are probably right that it's not piracy due to the private ends part, my bad, misunderstood. Hence the question what it is called then since is quite similar to piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Jiral@lemmy.org 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago Yes, at the end of the day it was its registration the problem, not the sanctions. All good, no illegal activity after-all (assuming that was really the case). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) It's literally in the headline and article. It's called detention. As a comparison, when police stop you it's called "being detained". They could seize it too, which is called seizure. Neither of those are piracy, though piracy does require detention or seizure. Obviously not every detention or seizure is piracy though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Ok, but still, in international water it is an illegal act, isn't it. When police detains you, it is usually legally. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) It's legal by whatever state is saying it's legal. If they say it's illegal for Russia to export oil, it is legal for them to detain a ship they suspect of doing so. That doesn't might it "right" or whatever, however you'd want to try and define that for something like this. It does make it not piracy though. Piracy isn't even necessarily "evil" either. It's a tool. States have sanctioned pirates against their opponent many times in the past. The difference is it isn't the state doing it then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago It’s legal by whatever state is saying it’s legal. Yes, but only within that state. In international waters it isn't. So it turns out that the said tanker, at least according to France, was not properly registered and thus was detained, not because of sanctions or whatever where emphasis on articles was. If that's really the case, then it was indeed a legal operation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (8 children) You are saying that a XY country could have a law where it says that it's fine to seize any ship in international waters and thus it's all good and legal then when it does so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Jiral@lemmy.org 2 points 5 months ago* (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) That was not your question. Your question was if it was piracy and it is clearly not, based on your own legal quote. Are you ready to agree to that or still denying it? You are probably right that it's not piracy due to the private ends part, my bad, misunderstood. Hence the question what it is called then since is quite similar to piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Jiral@lemmy.org 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago Yes, at the end of the day it was its registration the problem, not the sanctions. All good, no illegal activity after-all (assuming that was really the case). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) It's literally in the headline and article. It's called detention. As a comparison, when police stop you it's called "being detained". They could seize it too, which is called seizure. Neither of those are piracy, though piracy does require detention or seizure. Obviously not every detention or seizure is piracy though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Ok, but still, in international water it is an illegal act, isn't it. When police detains you, it is usually legally. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) It's legal by whatever state is saying it's legal. If they say it's illegal for Russia to export oil, it is legal for them to detain a ship they suspect of doing so. That doesn't might it "right" or whatever, however you'd want to try and define that for something like this. It does make it not piracy though. Piracy isn't even necessarily "evil" either. It's a tool. States have sanctioned pirates against their opponent many times in the past. The difference is it isn't the state doing it then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago It’s legal by whatever state is saying it’s legal. Yes, but only within that state. In international waters it isn't. So it turns out that the said tanker, at least according to France, was not properly registered and thus was detained, not because of sanctions or whatever where emphasis on articles was. If that's really the case, then it was indeed a legal operation. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Jiral@lemmy.org 2 points 5 months ago* (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) That was not your question. Your question was if it was piracy and it is clearly not, based on your own legal quote. Are you ready to agree to that or still denying it? You are probably right that it's not piracy due to the private ends part, my bad, misunderstood. Hence the question what it is called then since is quite similar to piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Jiral@lemmy.org 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago Yes, at the end of the day it was its registration the problem, not the sanctions. All good, no illegal activity after-all (assuming that was really the case). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) It's literally in the headline and article. It's called detention. As a comparison, when police stop you it's called "being detained". They could seize it too, which is called seizure. Neither of those are piracy, though piracy does require detention or seizure. Obviously not every detention or seizure is piracy though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Ok, but still, in international water it is an illegal act, isn't it. When police detains you, it is usually legally. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) It's legal by whatever state is saying it's legal. If they say it's illegal for Russia to export oil, it is legal for them to detain a ship they suspect of doing so. That doesn't might it "right" or whatever, however you'd want to try and define that for something like this. It does make it not piracy though. Piracy isn't even necessarily "evil" either. It's a tool. States have sanctioned pirates against their opponent many times in the past. The difference is it isn't the state doing it then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago It’s legal by whatever state is saying it’s legal. Yes, but only within that state. In international waters it isn't. So it turns out that the said tanker, at least according to France, was not properly registered and thus was detained, not because of sanctions or whatever where emphasis on articles was. If that's really the case, then it was indeed a legal operation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) That was not your question. Your question was if it was piracy and it is clearly not, based on your own legal quote. Are you ready to agree to that or still denying it? You are probably right that it's not piracy due to the private ends part, my bad, misunderstood. Hence the question what it is called then since is quite similar to piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Jiral@lemmy.org 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago Yes, at the end of the day it was its registration the problem, not the sanctions. All good, no illegal activity after-all (assuming that was really the case). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) It's literally in the headline and article. It's called detention. As a comparison, when police stop you it's called "being detained". They could seize it too, which is called seizure. Neither of those are piracy, though piracy does require detention or seizure. Obviously not every detention or seizure is piracy though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Ok, but still, in international water it is an illegal act, isn't it. When police detains you, it is usually legally. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) It's legal by whatever state is saying it's legal. If they say it's illegal for Russia to export oil, it is legal for them to detain a ship they suspect of doing so. That doesn't might it "right" or whatever, however you'd want to try and define that for something like this. It does make it not piracy though. Piracy isn't even necessarily "evil" either. It's a tool. States have sanctioned pirates against their opponent many times in the past. The difference is it isn't the state doing it then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago It’s legal by whatever state is saying it’s legal. Yes, but only within that state. In international waters it isn't. So it turns out that the said tanker, at least according to France, was not properly registered and thus was detained, not because of sanctions or whatever where emphasis on articles was. If that's really the case, then it was indeed a legal operation. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Jiral@lemmy.org 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago Yes, at the end of the day it was its registration the problem, not the sanctions. All good, no illegal activity after-all (assuming that was really the case). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago Yes, at the end of the day it was its registration the problem, not the sanctions. All good, no illegal activity after-all (assuming that was really the case). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) It's literally in the headline and article. It's called detention. As a comparison, when police stop you it's called "being detained". They could seize it too, which is called seizure. Neither of those are piracy, though piracy does require detention or seizure. Obviously not every detention or seizure is piracy though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Ok, but still, in international water it is an illegal act, isn't it. When police detains you, it is usually legally. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) It's legal by whatever state is saying it's legal. If they say it's illegal for Russia to export oil, it is legal for them to detain a ship they suspect of doing so. That doesn't might it "right" or whatever, however you'd want to try and define that for something like this. It does make it not piracy though. Piracy isn't even necessarily "evil" either. It's a tool. States have sanctioned pirates against their opponent many times in the past. The difference is it isn't the state doing it then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago It’s legal by whatever state is saying it’s legal. Yes, but only within that state. In international waters it isn't. So it turns out that the said tanker, at least according to France, was not properly registered and thus was detained, not because of sanctions or whatever where emphasis on articles was. If that's really the case, then it was indeed a legal operation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Ok, but still, in international water it is an illegal act, isn't it. When police detains you, it is usually legally. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) It's legal by whatever state is saying it's legal. If they say it's illegal for Russia to export oil, it is legal for them to detain a ship they suspect of doing so. That doesn't might it "right" or whatever, however you'd want to try and define that for something like this. It does make it not piracy though. Piracy isn't even necessarily "evil" either. It's a tool. States have sanctioned pirates against their opponent many times in the past. The difference is it isn't the state doing it then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago It’s legal by whatever state is saying it’s legal. Yes, but only within that state. In international waters it isn't. So it turns out that the said tanker, at least according to France, was not properly registered and thus was detained, not because of sanctions or whatever where emphasis on articles was. If that's really the case, then it was indeed a legal operation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) It's legal by whatever state is saying it's legal. If they say it's illegal for Russia to export oil, it is legal for them to detain a ship they suspect of doing so. That doesn't might it "right" or whatever, however you'd want to try and define that for something like this. It does make it not piracy though. Piracy isn't even necessarily "evil" either. It's a tool. States have sanctioned pirates against their opponent many times in the past. The difference is it isn't the state doing it then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago It’s legal by whatever state is saying it’s legal. Yes, but only within that state. In international waters it isn't. So it turns out that the said tanker, at least according to France, was not properly registered and thus was detained, not because of sanctions or whatever where emphasis on articles was. If that's really the case, then it was indeed a legal operation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago It’s legal by whatever state is saying it’s legal. Yes, but only within that state. In international waters it isn't. So it turns out that the said tanker, at least according to France, was not properly registered and thus was detained, not because of sanctions or whatever where emphasis on articles was. If that's really the case, then it was indeed a legal operation. permalink fedilink source parent