▲ 128 ▼ Kremlin outraged by detention of Russian shadow fleet tanker, calls it "piracy" (www.pravda.com.ua) submitted 5 months ago by MashedHobbits@lemy.lol to c/world 57 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 8 points 5 months ago (11 children) Piracy by definition only applies to private entities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (10 children) Ok, how do we call it when a state does piracy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 5 months ago (8 children) We don’t, as it’s impossible for a state to commit piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) ie illegally according to international law seize a foreign ship in international waters and sell it's cargo for own profit. How do we call that? Not talking about this case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) Depends what the foreign ship was up to. Could be drug interdiction, sanctions enforcement, warfare etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) Let's say transporting oil. Nothing illegal according to international laws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Depends on the ship. You may remember an incident a few months ago where the US intercepted a tanker departing Venuzuela. The tanker was trying to evade sanctions by flying a false flag. This made it stateless and therefore it was within the rights of the US to sieze it and its cargo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) US to sieze it and its cargo. Is it really? I get seizure and everything, but selling it - I guess that could be possible only if owner didn't pay a fine and wouldn't oppose it legally? OTOH what'd happen if the ship is in order and it still happened that? Or just seizure and torture of its crew just like happened with Global Sumud Flotilla? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Getting off topic here. The actions of a state may not be lawful or justifiable, but they aren’t piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, but how do we call such actions? Just unlawful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago Mostly. In specific circumstances actions can be a cassus belli. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (10 children) Ok, how do we call it when a state does piracy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 5 months ago (8 children) We don’t, as it’s impossible for a state to commit piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) ie illegally according to international law seize a foreign ship in international waters and sell it's cargo for own profit. How do we call that? Not talking about this case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) Depends what the foreign ship was up to. Could be drug interdiction, sanctions enforcement, warfare etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) Let's say transporting oil. Nothing illegal according to international laws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Depends on the ship. You may remember an incident a few months ago where the US intercepted a tanker departing Venuzuela. The tanker was trying to evade sanctions by flying a false flag. This made it stateless and therefore it was within the rights of the US to sieze it and its cargo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) US to sieze it and its cargo. Is it really? I get seizure and everything, but selling it - I guess that could be possible only if owner didn't pay a fine and wouldn't oppose it legally? OTOH what'd happen if the ship is in order and it still happened that? Or just seizure and torture of its crew just like happened with Global Sumud Flotilla? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Getting off topic here. The actions of a state may not be lawful or justifiable, but they aren’t piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, but how do we call such actions? Just unlawful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago Mostly. In specific circumstances actions can be a cassus belli. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 5 months ago (8 children) We don’t, as it’s impossible for a state to commit piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) ie illegally according to international law seize a foreign ship in international waters and sell it's cargo for own profit. How do we call that? Not talking about this case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) Depends what the foreign ship was up to. Could be drug interdiction, sanctions enforcement, warfare etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) Let's say transporting oil. Nothing illegal according to international laws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Depends on the ship. You may remember an incident a few months ago where the US intercepted a tanker departing Venuzuela. The tanker was trying to evade sanctions by flying a false flag. This made it stateless and therefore it was within the rights of the US to sieze it and its cargo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) US to sieze it and its cargo. Is it really? I get seizure and everything, but selling it - I guess that could be possible only if owner didn't pay a fine and wouldn't oppose it legally? OTOH what'd happen if the ship is in order and it still happened that? Or just seizure and torture of its crew just like happened with Global Sumud Flotilla? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Getting off topic here. The actions of a state may not be lawful or justifiable, but they aren’t piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, but how do we call such actions? Just unlawful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago Mostly. In specific circumstances actions can be a cassus belli. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) ie illegally according to international law seize a foreign ship in international waters and sell it's cargo for own profit. How do we call that? Not talking about this case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) Depends what the foreign ship was up to. Could be drug interdiction, sanctions enforcement, warfare etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) Let's say transporting oil. Nothing illegal according to international laws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Depends on the ship. You may remember an incident a few months ago where the US intercepted a tanker departing Venuzuela. The tanker was trying to evade sanctions by flying a false flag. This made it stateless and therefore it was within the rights of the US to sieze it and its cargo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) US to sieze it and its cargo. Is it really? I get seizure and everything, but selling it - I guess that could be possible only if owner didn't pay a fine and wouldn't oppose it legally? OTOH what'd happen if the ship is in order and it still happened that? Or just seizure and torture of its crew just like happened with Global Sumud Flotilla? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Getting off topic here. The actions of a state may not be lawful or justifiable, but they aren’t piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, but how do we call such actions? Just unlawful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago Mostly. In specific circumstances actions can be a cassus belli. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) Depends what the foreign ship was up to. Could be drug interdiction, sanctions enforcement, warfare etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) Let's say transporting oil. Nothing illegal according to international laws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Depends on the ship. You may remember an incident a few months ago where the US intercepted a tanker departing Venuzuela. The tanker was trying to evade sanctions by flying a false flag. This made it stateless and therefore it was within the rights of the US to sieze it and its cargo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) US to sieze it and its cargo. Is it really? I get seizure and everything, but selling it - I guess that could be possible only if owner didn't pay a fine and wouldn't oppose it legally? OTOH what'd happen if the ship is in order and it still happened that? Or just seizure and torture of its crew just like happened with Global Sumud Flotilla? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Getting off topic here. The actions of a state may not be lawful or justifiable, but they aren’t piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, but how do we call such actions? Just unlawful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago Mostly. In specific circumstances actions can be a cassus belli. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) Let's say transporting oil. Nothing illegal according to international laws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Depends on the ship. You may remember an incident a few months ago where the US intercepted a tanker departing Venuzuela. The tanker was trying to evade sanctions by flying a false flag. This made it stateless and therefore it was within the rights of the US to sieze it and its cargo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) US to sieze it and its cargo. Is it really? I get seizure and everything, but selling it - I guess that could be possible only if owner didn't pay a fine and wouldn't oppose it legally? OTOH what'd happen if the ship is in order and it still happened that? Or just seizure and torture of its crew just like happened with Global Sumud Flotilla? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Getting off topic here. The actions of a state may not be lawful or justifiable, but they aren’t piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, but how do we call such actions? Just unlawful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago Mostly. In specific circumstances actions can be a cassus belli. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Depends on the ship. You may remember an incident a few months ago where the US intercepted a tanker departing Venuzuela. The tanker was trying to evade sanctions by flying a false flag. This made it stateless and therefore it was within the rights of the US to sieze it and its cargo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) US to sieze it and its cargo. Is it really? I get seizure and everything, but selling it - I guess that could be possible only if owner didn't pay a fine and wouldn't oppose it legally? OTOH what'd happen if the ship is in order and it still happened that? Or just seizure and torture of its crew just like happened with Global Sumud Flotilla? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Getting off topic here. The actions of a state may not be lawful or justifiable, but they aren’t piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, but how do we call such actions? Just unlawful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago Mostly. In specific circumstances actions can be a cassus belli. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) US to sieze it and its cargo. Is it really? I get seizure and everything, but selling it - I guess that could be possible only if owner didn't pay a fine and wouldn't oppose it legally? OTOH what'd happen if the ship is in order and it still happened that? Or just seizure and torture of its crew just like happened with Global Sumud Flotilla? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Getting off topic here. The actions of a state may not be lawful or justifiable, but they aren’t piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, but how do we call such actions? Just unlawful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago Mostly. In specific circumstances actions can be a cassus belli. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Getting off topic here. The actions of a state may not be lawful or justifiable, but they aren’t piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, but how do we call such actions? Just unlawful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago Mostly. In specific circumstances actions can be a cassus belli. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, but how do we call such actions? Just unlawful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago Mostly. In specific circumstances actions can be a cassus belli. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago Mostly. In specific circumstances actions can be a cassus belli. permalink fedilink source parent