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Doug Ford banned speed cameras. The City of Ottawa posted the raw speed data from before and after the ban. This chart shows the percentage of drivers going 15km/h or more over the posted limit. (feddit.uk)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/ontario@lemmy.ca
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[–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Apples to oranges - a speed camera necessitates and immediate check and possible adjustment; a speed limit is a delayable check where safety can be evaluated first.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    You are stretching so fucking hard to split that hair. Yes, I can see that they are slightly different. They are apples to oranges, but you would like to pretend its apples to riding lawnmowers. It's ridiculous, you can see that, right? And it's just a distraction from reality and evidence.

    The OP chart is one item from a huge consistent body of evidence that shows that drivers are perfectly capable of adapting to the presence of speed cameras. Speed cameras are not a hazard to pedestrian safety and if that isn't a bad faith argument, buddy, you're actually literally deluding yourself. In fact they are a huge benefit to pedestrian safety. That is why this legislation is not likely to stand.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I think this is the difference - you're assuming a distracted driver is only a danger to pedestrians. Big mistake.

    The op's chart shows a difference in speeds, not a difference in incident rates; you've inferred higher and/or more serious incident rates from a speed chart. If I wanted to outright attack the argument my line would be "was there any measure of speed before and after in areas outside the camera's capture zone"; since most drivers appear to just slow down for the camera and re-accelerare after. One could argue the chart shows no change in driver behaviour, merely driver performance in an enforcement area. You're conflating the metric (speeds measured before and after in the same spot) with what it should measure (driver compliance to the law when using the road).

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