Yup. I think it's the difference between looking at how things actually are and what they could be. We all know that better road design and pedestrian streets are the gold standard solution. Implementing any of those doesn't happen in vaccuum. We need the political organization needed to enable them. We don't have it. We don't even have the plausibility of having it. The small bits we've managed to do on municipal basis are getting reversed. So in reality those initiatives have failed to decrease vehicle speeds. The fact that it's because we can't actually implement enough of them, for people of Ontario, .. I consider immaterial in the current context. If we were in an emvironment where it was actually plausible we could implement calming and pedestrianization changes and we were debating those as opposed to speed cams, then that would matter greatly. In the Ontario reality we live in, with Ford leading us for 8 years and counting, with the NDP at 20%, I think it's useful to consider those efforts as failed and fight for whatever measures are plausible and achieve the speed decrease we want in order to save pedestrians lives and injuries. And the graph here shows traffic cams did indeed work, all else being equal.