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[–] 15 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

Suffering is subjective experience.

Despite how bad you think the world is, its still in the top 1% compared to past history.

We are still doing very well on average compared to 200, 500, 1000, 2000... etc years ago.

Human lifespan used to be like 20-30, everyone used to be at war all the time, and simply getting drinkable water used to take hours of effort everywhere.

As easy as it is to say we have it shitty now, we do have countless comforts we take for granted.

Toilets? Showers? Tap water? Netflix?

Even those in our society who have it the absolute worst, homeless minorities with disabilities, are still substantially better off than what they would have endured in the same situation 1000 years ago.

1000 years ago they would not have had access to antibiotics, would likely not live past 10, would probably contract leprosy early or pox and start losing limbs at best, die otherwise.

They would not have any access to hospitals at all, because they didnt exist. Public transit did not exist at all. Mail didnt exist. And they'd be very likely just killed when a ramdom skirmish broke out if they didnt get killed by their city being raided and sacked.

The fact we arent constantly in fear of bands of raiders showing up and literally burning our entire city down nowadays should put in perspective how far we have come.

Yeah, its bad. CEOs control 99% of wealth.

But, tbh, thats actually humanities personal best...

Because how much wealth do you think was aggregated at the top in the days of actual kings, lol... you think our wealth aggregation is bad now?

Dawg you are allowed to own things, back then huge swathes of the population were slaves/serfs and couldnt even own the clothes on their own back

At least now the working class gets paid.... at all

Could it be better? Fuck yes, for sure.

But is this the worst if times?

Not even a little bit. Its not the best either, we pissed away the big economic booms in the 80s/90s

But we are still soooo far ahead of our ancestors.

Dude we have fucking vaccines, do you not get how big that is?

Imagine for a moment what your ancestors 1000 years ago would have been willing to do for vaccines, antibiotics, etc.

A lotta shit we take for granted now would have been considered an incredible luxury by kings in the BC years.

Our chairs have cushions dawg.... thats the type shit a king would have paid big money for... and now we throw that away if it gets old...

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Things being shitty isnt about the cushioned chairs or AC or Antibiotics that separates us from the metaphorical jealous kings of yore. Its the isolation from power and the denial of a seat at the table. It's the fact that we do have all these comforts and that they're disposable, and we still have people that can't afford these comforts because the capitalists at the top don't want to let any of us anywhere near them. We make enough food globally to feed everyone and we'll just dump perfectly edible food because having too much product on the market will lower prices too much. The kings of yore didnt have the luxury of being so isolated from the rest of their society that they were untouchable, peasant revolts were extremely effective throughout much of human history. If the peasants under a king's watch were starving, well that king typically wasn't long for the world, but we now we get to have news about the ass ugly Abercrombie and Fitch CEO boasting that they burn excess clothes instead of donating it or even just throwing them in the trash because he doesnt want ugly poors painting the brand with their ugly poorness and its met with... nothing... nothing of subatance anyway. Just handwringing articles about how immoral and shallow it is and then articles complaining about how that's just capitalism bay-bee cope harder.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    peasant revolts were extremely effective throughout much of human history

    They still are.

    The only separation between now and then is perceived isolation from power.

    If even a fraction of the working class people rose up and wanted to, I dunno, kill trump (theoretically) in the US, right now, there is zero goddamn way the US gov could stop them. Theyd be outnumbered 10,000 to 1, easily.

    The only thing stopping everyone from doing it is the notion that they cant do it.

    Lord knows we've seen in other countries plenty of younger generations take down their governments with ease, so the capability is 100% still present.

    My honest opinion is its just a case of Bystander Effect. As your population density goes up, the Bystander Effect spreads out beyond just immediate vicinity and to the entire city/state/country.

    No individual state wants to be the one to stand up and fight directly, so everyone just stands by and watches.

    No individual group of people wants to be "that" group in the US, so everyone just stands by.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    If even a fraction of the working class people rose up and wanted to, I dunno, kill trump (theoretically) in the US, right now, there is zero goddamn way the US gov could stop them. Theyd be outnumbered 10,000 to 1, easily.

    You realize this is the reason so many wealthy fucks are investing in heavily armedmegayacts and heavily reinforced bunkers and nuclear powered private jets like Air Force 1 that will run out of food long before it runs out of fuel. Yes we do outnumber them 10,000 to 1, how in the logistical nightmare do you gain access to the billionaire class when they're behind several feet of reinforced steel or several miles above earth or isolated in the middle of the ocean away from all the problems tbey caused. Yes peasant revolts have been effective and the wealthy know this and thus have done everything they could to physically isolate themselves from us. I'm not saying it is impossible but its not like the oligarchs of todau live in stone castles that don't move and can be starved out in a siege.

    They've had a decades long head start on isolating themselves from us. That advantage isnt going away because a small portion of us have class consciousness and a significant number of people are lapping up what the oligarchs pump out on the airwaves and will defend the oligarcha to the death because one day, they might be rich too.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    how in the logistical nightmare do you gain access to the billionaire class when they’re behind several feet of reinforced steel or several miles above earth or isolated in the middle of the ocean

    Dude they fucking go to starbucks and shit.

    They walk around in public everyday.

    Getting at them is not the hard part, thats trivial

    Its the next severalinutes after that usually result in you getting shot to death or arrested that is what stops people.

    Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, and Bezos all are in public all the damn time

    The thing is, a person is 100% be on a suicide mission even attempting anything.

    That is why people dont attempt anything.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Right now they do those things, while also surrounded by armed guards, but they've been building their bunkers and arming their megayachts and getting ready to bug out when things get too spicy for them. Peter "Saruman" Thiel is already fleeing to Argentina, probably because he's starting to realize that his billions might not actually be enough to protect his "openly gay while raising a child" ass from getting thrown into the gulags with the rest of the underclass that he had a hand in creating and surveiling by the very political party he's been aligned with and empowering.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    You contradict (or at least leave in a hard place) your first line saying suffering is subjective and then explaining why our current state of affairs means we are better off now. How can we be better off, I assume living happier lives with less suffering, if suffering is subjective?

    If it is subjective, then maybe a 19th century woman (without many rights, without technology and in a monotonous life) felt more fulfilled and more joyful and more curious of her own life and less unfortunate than a woman today with all her rights, technology, free time, etc. And apply that to all individuals and you might find that maybe 18th century England was happier than 21st century England. Add religion to the equation, which gave them faith and hope even facing hardships; add the way they didn't know all we do now (like the Epstein Files, the way colonization and imperialism work, etc.); add that they didn't live overstimulated as often (e g., not so many opportunities to get addictions) or isolated (community was stronger then). Then maybe the happier 18th century is real. Then maybe you are right about suffering being subjective. And, if so, "progress" (about this) is a myth and new technology or food or money does not equal happiness.

    But if you believe we should be happier and, if studies about this could be done, you believe that we should indeed find that we are happier today because "objective" or measurable benefits and privileges should equal more happiness and less suffering, then suffering is not that subjective, it has an obvious relation to these things you mentioned (long lifespans, shelter, healthcare, luxuries, etc.).

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