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The world's carmakers are struggling to compete with China (www.bbc.com)
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[–] 33 points 5 months ago (13 children)

I'm sure CCP subsidies pay some part, but western automakers also have themselves to blame for treating EVs as nothing but luxury products for the past decade. Western politicians also get some of the blame for not passing legislation that would've effectively forced automakers to change their ways.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago

    It’s probably at least as important that the Chinese government decided on a forward looking policy, then applied it consistently over the time needed. That’s not “cheating”.

    Also, I have yet to read any creditable comparison between their subsidies and our own. If you want me to feel outraged, you need a better case that they’re doing something different

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    California did pass those laws thirty years ago. Then Bush Jr rode up on his horse and got CA to neuter their law. That's why GM made the ev1 then murdered it.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Toyota and Mercedes also had EVs back then they killed.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    Were they sold in the US? I've never heard of those!

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    California. Electric Rav4, sold to fleets mostly, 1997-2003. Both Mercedes and Toyota were partnered with Tesla, but they bailed as soon as Musk showed up. Ford also had a Ranger EV.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Also, due to GM selling the patent for nicad/nimh ev batteries to Exxon, the other manufacturers had to stop selling their existing ev lineup. Then the world had to wait for lithium batteries to mature.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Mass procuced EVs have existed since like, the early 1900s. At the time, 28% of the cars on the road in the US were EVs. They lost to ICE cars because their range was too small, they were too slow, and they were too expensive. In the 1910s EVs were double the price of an ICE car, and since they were selling so badly most auto makers stopped making them.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (5 children)

    I'm not sure the tech was there yet 30 years ago. EVs live and die by lithium batteries. The EV1 apparently used lead acid.

    However, ten years ago the situation was entirely different.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    Ev1 switched to NiMH in year 2.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Which was then bought by an oil company to hinder the development and deployment of the tech.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    I doubt that. NiMH were used in hybrids up to 2022.

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