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[–] 11 points 5 months ago (5 children)

But if they had learned from their mistakes, it would have improved, but unfortunately those very same error were repeated multiple time (see the multiple famines the USSR faced while strangely their western counterparts did not.

What other famine after holodomor? I can only think of one but was during siege from the nazis.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago* (4 children)
    • 1921-1922 (Povolzhye, or Volga famine), 5-10 millions dreath
    • 1932-1933 (Holodomor), 3.5 to 7 millions death in Ukraine alone
    • 1930-1933 (Asharshylyk), 1.5 million deaths (seem small, but that was 40% of then Kazakhstan population)
    • 1932-1933 (at the same time than the Holodomor, but in Russia) : 1 to 2 millions deaths
    • 1946-1947: 1 to 1.5 millions deaths

    And that's only those who were big enough to be impossible to hide completely.

    All of them have something in common: the central government minimised them, and tried to hide them. Some weren't even acknowledged until after the USSR fall. All of them are a combination of bad luck (war, drought) combined with hasty decisions which made what could have been a hard year a generational disaster.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    Question: "what famines occurred because the Soviets didn't learn from the 1933 famine?"

    Answer: A famine from -before- that famine, the famine you're being asked to name one after, TWO OTHER FAMINES THAT HAPPENED THE SAME YEAR, and the one that happened because the fucking nazis invaded

    What a mixture of bad faith and just plain stupid

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago*

    TWO OTHER FAMINES THAT HAPPENED THE SAME YEAR

    It's also exceptionally bad faith to treat it as three famines while it was a single one occuring on huge areas. But once we learn it, the entire "holodomor" narration shatter immediately.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    You're referring to a famine at the outset of the USSR coming from civil war, referring to the 1930s famine as 3 separate famines, and blaming the famine caused by Nazi invasion on the Soviets. There's good reason that's all you have to bring up.

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