▲ 259 ▼ Ontario Police Deploy Secret Spyware That Lets Them Remotely Take Over Your Phone (www.gadgetreview.com) submitted 5 months ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/technology@lemmy.world 30 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] db2@lemmy.world 53 points 5 months ago (9 children) How do they get it on the phone permalink fedilink source hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 42 points 5 months ago (7 children) Depends. Obviously when they say "secret spyware" that means it is, in fact, secret, and we don't know which spyware they're using, but as the article notes it could be Paragon Solutions. They have a system called Graphite, but that primarily targets just instant messaging platforms. If the article is to be believed when it says it could activate your camera, that would signal to me it's more likely something from NSO Group, like their Pegasus spyware that can also access your camera, GPS coordinates, and more. All of these are going to be reliant on zero-day exploits, essentially exploits that aren't known to anyone yet and are still unpatched. All exploits will be a little different, but when it comes to mobile spyware, we usually see them delivered either through texts, websites, or email. Those attacks can either be someone just receiving the text (even if they don't click on it, AKA a "zero click" attack), or maybe having to actually go to a particular website with the exploit baked in, or running an attachment from an email. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago (5 children) Joke's on them, my phone runs GNU/Linux and has hardware kill switches for the mic/camera and for the cellular baseband which I use while at home, instead using Wi-Fi calling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (4 children) What phone does that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago 2 phones today ship today with that, the Purism Librem 5 and the PinePhone Pro. In addition to an expected eventual 5G re-release of these models, the Liberux Nexx, and I suppose there will be a Brax 4 with it, given that their open slate tablet has them first. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'd assume the Pinephone (Pro). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Or purism... if they still exist or ever shippef a phone. Havent followed them in a while permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The "my case has a thing on it that covers the camera" phone? Idk about the mic tho permalink fedilink source parent [–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago I dunno, in the states they have the 'secret service' but I can definitely see them. Something tells me 'secret' things aren't so secret... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago Idk if there are laws around this in Canada, but mobile carriers can apparently install shit that you can't fully uninstall, as soon as you put their SIM in there. I discovered that when my carrier installed their "app center" bs on my non-carrier locked phone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 42 points 5 months ago (7 children) Depends. Obviously when they say "secret spyware" that means it is, in fact, secret, and we don't know which spyware they're using, but as the article notes it could be Paragon Solutions. They have a system called Graphite, but that primarily targets just instant messaging platforms. If the article is to be believed when it says it could activate your camera, that would signal to me it's more likely something from NSO Group, like their Pegasus spyware that can also access your camera, GPS coordinates, and more. All of these are going to be reliant on zero-day exploits, essentially exploits that aren't known to anyone yet and are still unpatched. All exploits will be a little different, but when it comes to mobile spyware, we usually see them delivered either through texts, websites, or email. Those attacks can either be someone just receiving the text (even if they don't click on it, AKA a "zero click" attack), or maybe having to actually go to a particular website with the exploit baked in, or running an attachment from an email. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago (5 children) Joke's on them, my phone runs GNU/Linux and has hardware kill switches for the mic/camera and for the cellular baseband which I use while at home, instead using Wi-Fi calling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (4 children) What phone does that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago 2 phones today ship today with that, the Purism Librem 5 and the PinePhone Pro. In addition to an expected eventual 5G re-release of these models, the Liberux Nexx, and I suppose there will be a Brax 4 with it, given that their open slate tablet has them first. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'd assume the Pinephone (Pro). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Or purism... if they still exist or ever shippef a phone. Havent followed them in a while permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The "my case has a thing on it that covers the camera" phone? Idk about the mic tho permalink fedilink source parent [–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago I dunno, in the states they have the 'secret service' but I can definitely see them. Something tells me 'secret' things aren't so secret... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago (5 children) Joke's on them, my phone runs GNU/Linux and has hardware kill switches for the mic/camera and for the cellular baseband which I use while at home, instead using Wi-Fi calling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (4 children) What phone does that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago 2 phones today ship today with that, the Purism Librem 5 and the PinePhone Pro. In addition to an expected eventual 5G re-release of these models, the Liberux Nexx, and I suppose there will be a Brax 4 with it, given that their open slate tablet has them first. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'd assume the Pinephone (Pro). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Or purism... if they still exist or ever shippef a phone. Havent followed them in a while permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The "my case has a thing on it that covers the camera" phone? Idk about the mic tho permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (4 children) What phone does that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago 2 phones today ship today with that, the Purism Librem 5 and the PinePhone Pro. In addition to an expected eventual 5G re-release of these models, the Liberux Nexx, and I suppose there will be a Brax 4 with it, given that their open slate tablet has them first. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'd assume the Pinephone (Pro). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Or purism... if they still exist or ever shippef a phone. Havent followed them in a while permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The "my case has a thing on it that covers the camera" phone? Idk about the mic tho permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago 2 phones today ship today with that, the Purism Librem 5 and the PinePhone Pro. In addition to an expected eventual 5G re-release of these models, the Liberux Nexx, and I suppose there will be a Brax 4 with it, given that their open slate tablet has them first. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'd assume the Pinephone (Pro). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Or purism... if they still exist or ever shippef a phone. Havent followed them in a while permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Or purism... if they still exist or ever shippef a phone. Havent followed them in a while permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The "my case has a thing on it that covers the camera" phone? Idk about the mic tho permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago I dunno, in the states they have the 'secret service' but I can definitely see them. Something tells me 'secret' things aren't so secret... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago Idk if there are laws around this in Canada, but mobile carriers can apparently install shit that you can't fully uninstall, as soon as you put their SIM in there. I discovered that when my carrier installed their "app center" bs on my non-carrier locked phone. permalink fedilink source parent