toebert comments on 'There is no universe in which Proton VPN compromises its no-logs policy' — Proton joins the backlash against Canada's surveillance bill

[–] toebert@piefed.social 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

To be fair, the issue (or at least my point) here is not that they didn't magically fix everything. It's that they actively introduced things (like the online safety act) and are continuing to pursue things (like extending it to vpns) which didn't exist before and are hostile towards online privacy.

I do agree about the general mentality being outrage based which benefits the right.

It's actually quite interesting to look at the party manifestos in England Vs Scotland for the same parties. Reform UK has seen some success in the recent Scottish election and I believe part of it is that their "Scottish" manifesto reads closer to a regular conservative party (so only medium insane), whereas it's batshit insane in England. I don't think a lot of people compare those, despite it being the same party.

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[–] Auth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Yes I understand being pissed off at some horrible legislation but focusing on single events and painting an entire picture will destroy any politician. Focusing on his worst legislation ignores all the good stuff he has passed and makes people think the left is just as bad when objectively that is not the case.

Like even looking at the online safety act. Thats popular legislation with majority support. Think of all the things that wouldnt have happened under a conservative government, rail nationalization, strengthen labour laws, green energy expansion and reform, prison reform.

All his biggest controversy kind of pales in comparison to the good done. So to throw all that out just seems very stupid to me.

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[–] toebert@piefed.social 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

I see your point and also agree with you, but at the same time it seems like you're implying it's a binary choice. Either we support labour or we support the right. The way I see it, they're a centrist party now at best. I want to support a more leftist/libertarian party. I don't have to run to vote for reform just because labour didn't do as well as I hoped, but I also don't need to vote for labour if they do things I hate (which the war on privacy is).

And of course the online safety act passed with a majority. They're using the easiest manipulation tactic to describe all of these type of bills that exists. "It's for the children". It takes a lot to oppose it while making sure you don't give ammunition to be smeared with "oh they hate kids/don't care about children's wellbeing" while defending it is as simple as repeating it's to protect kids. Doesn't even matter what the bill does as long as it can loosely be related it's a guaranteed "moral high ground".

Lastly, I don't think it's good to excuse bad policies by saying they also did other good things.

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[–] Auth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago

you’re implying it’s a binary choice. Either we support labour or we support the right. The way I see it, they’re a centrist party now at best. I want to support a more leftist/libertarian party.

I understand that perspective and im not trying to say its binary because its fine to vote that way. I just think even if you want to support a more leftwing party people should refrain from carrying the exaggerated right wing narratives against labour because they still need a strong center left party to pickup the votes for people who arent as far left.

Lastly, I don’t think it’s good to excuse bad policies by saying they also did other good things.

I am saying that the good things are bigger than the bad so you should focus on the good rather than the bad. They already have every right winger focusing on the bad, they dont need it from the left as well. Theres a difference between talking about the bad policies in a critical way and then shitting on them every single time their mentioned and running down their list of worst policies. Rail nationalization is huge, its a huge win for the left and it should be talked about at every opportunity so people are encouraged to vote left.

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