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Ancient texts already told us Ancient History (~1200 BCE) (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 1 point 5 months ago (11 children)

my response is that Israel is a genocidal society. they are open about it. and their consent is irrelevant when it comes to any solution

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Their consent is irrelevant; the issue of genociding them is relevant.

    No one asked Nazi Germany if it wanted to be cut up into pieces and occupied, and yet it was moral to do so. Yet that doesn't mean that genocide would also have been moral, despite the German people undoubtedly being not in favor of that solution either.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (9 children)

    but no one is advocating for the genocide of Israelis. were just complaining how monstrous they are.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    but no one is advocating for the genocide of Israelis. were just complaining how monstrous they are.

    The genocide and ethnic cleansing of Israelis is constantly brought up even in the fucking Fediverse.

    Not only that, but in this very comment section:

    What’s the sound of 100 million Israeli’s dying? I heard it sounds like applause, but we should probably find out just to be sure

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (7 children)

    obviously that's an exaggeration. there's like 7 million Israelis.

    And the biggest material issue right now is the material real genocide that Israel is conductor right now, not a theoretical one against the perpetrators.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    obviously that’s an exaggeration. there’s like 7 million Israelis.

    So if someone said "What’s the sound of 100 million Palestinians dying? I heard it sounds like applause, but we should probably find out just to be sure" your response would be... similar?

    And the biggest material issue right now is the material real genocide that Israel is conductor right now, not a theoretical one against the perpetrators.

    "No one is advocating for it!"

    "Well, they are, but it doesn't matter because there are other issues which are more important."

    Maybe genocide advocacy is fucking bad in general, regardless of which one is more pressing at the moment? Sorry that I don't give a free pass to genocide advocacy because it's against Bad Ethnicity?

    And genocide 'against the perpetrators'? What the fuck? This is exactly the kind of bullshit nationalist-minded fuckwittery that leads to genocide in the first place.

    I'm sorry I don't believe in ethnic fucking guilt.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Go talk to Israelis, ask what they think about bombing babies, or about settler terrorism, or about the new death sentence bill for Palestinians, or about the Sde Teiman guards who were caught on camera raping prisoners.

    I'm talking from personal experience of being Israeli, left a while back. That isn't genocidal rethoric, that's the reality of a nation built on ethnic cleansing and generations of propaganda.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Go talk to Israelis, ask what they think about bombing babies, or about settler terrorism, or about the new death sentence bill for Palestinians, or about the Sde Teiman guards who were caught on camera raping prisoners.

    I’m talking from personal experience of being Israeli, left a while back. That isn’t genocidal rethoric, that’s the reality of a nation built on ethnic cleansing and generations of propaganda.

    Literally none of that has anything to do with the point being discussed.

    Again, sorry I don't believe in ethnic fucking guilt. And I'm sorry that you do.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    Literally that's was my main point. Israelis are a psycppathic society. Denying that is like saying "Not all nazis were bad".

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Literally that’s was my main point. Israelis are a psycppathic society. Denying that is like saying “Not all nazis were bad”.

    You yourself said not all Israelis were bad.

    The notion of genocide being able to be inflicted on the 'perpetrators' necessitates regarding an entire ethnicity as perpetrators, as targeting an ETHNICITY for murder is what genocide fucking means

    "I am a good follower who is onboard with the extermination of Bad Ethnicity, except for the decent ones" is not only a repulsive alternative interpretation of the notion of genociding the 'perpetrators', but does not absolve one from the charge of genocide.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Again, you keep advocating against a fictional non existent genocide that no one supports. While ignoring the real one. at this point you're just a genocide propagandist. and a Holocaust denier.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Again, you keep advocating against a fictional non existent genocide that no one supports.

    I love the part where you bounce back and forth between admitting and denying that people advocate for genocide.

    While ignoring the real one. at this point you’re just a genocide propagandist. and a Holocaust denier.

    My position, throughout this entire conversation, has only been that calling for the genocide of Israelis is unacceptable. If your position is that opposing one genocide requires supporting another, you're a fucking fascist, and not welcome.

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