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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (15 children)

Why don’t Chinese farmers receive old-age pensions? Where do their taxes and surpluses go?

To the pensions and also the massive modernising of rural villages from unconnected backwards villages with no electricity roads or plumbing to modern villages with electricity roads plumbing WiFi and public transit. Alongside the constant and ongoing targeted poverty alleviation.

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[–] Sedan@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago (14 children)

Comrade, I also read the newspaper "Pravda" as a child, and everything seemed so good and smooth there, but in reality, things don't always work out that way.

What can I say about this: I recently watched a video on YouTube where a Russian blogger came to a Chinese village and interviewed local residents, visiting their homes. What can I say: as far as everyday life goes, Russian peasants live a little better, except that Chinese peasants have too many electronics, while Russian city dwellers probably don't have that much in their homes. ))) Everything seems fine there—they live and work. The blogger also interviewed an elderly woman (about 70 years old). She also had no complaints, except that they only paid pensions to those who worked for a state enterprise or to those who had earned their stripes before the Party. The blogger asked what they should do then? She replied: if they have relatives, they help; if not, they have to work themselves.

I see the decree was passed in 2014... it hasn't been fully implemented yet. It's been taking a while.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (13 children)

I recently watched a video on YouTube where a Russian blogger came to a Chinese village

Comrade anecdotes are not worth much

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[–] Sedan@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (12 children)

Comrade anecdotes are not worth much

Are you telling me there wasn't a real Chinese peasant woman there?

If you think I'm feeding you speculation right now, then we should probably stop talking.

You, a woman, don't receive a pension; in her village, no one receives a pension except for government employees.

"In China, citizens who have not made regular pension contributions for the required period (at least 15 years) do not receive a state old-age pension.

These categories include: Rural residents without insurance: Elderly people in villages who do not participate in the basic pension insurance system for rural residents."

Is this a joke?

So, it turns out that peasants who lived their lives in poverty, who couldn't afford insurance, are left without a pension in their old age. And they lived in poverty not because they are lazy, but because China has only recently emerged from poverty. These are people who were born under Mao.

I have nothing against the fact that development was difficult in China, just please don’t make fun of me.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago* (11 children)

"Individuals who participate in the pension insurance for urban and rural residents, who have reached the age of 60 and have paid a cumulative contribution for 15 years, and have not received the basic pension protection treatment stipulated by the state, can receive the pension insurance benefits of urban and rural residents on a monthly basis."

Everyone receives a minimum pension but you cannot take the basic pension on top of other pensions.

Comrade I wish I could say you appear intelligent and sincere but it would be a lie in both cases I am afraid to say.

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[–] Sedan@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago (10 children)

Yes, I checked, the basic pension is 150-200 yuan.

Damn, I couldn't find that video, but I swear to you that old Chinese woman said exactly what I told you, and no matter how stupid or smart I am, it doesn't change anything. That was a real village, and real peasants. I don't know why she lied back then. I could be wrong, of course.

And I'll clarify that the minimum pension in Ukraine is 450 yuan, converted. That's a paltry sum, you can't live on it.

Sorry for upsetting you so much, better blame it on my stupidity.

Can you turn on subtitles in YouTube's settings? If so, tell me if this is true or not.

Please forgive me in advance if I'm wrong.

https://youtu.be/qHI0-4_E9I4

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

basic pension is 150-200 yuan.

Wrong that's the national floor that is legally required but each local government adds their own contributions on top of this for example if you fall under the Shanghai local government you would receive 1500 per month as your basic pension.

That was a real village, and real peasants.

I didn't say it wasn't. I said it was an anecdote.

Ukraine is 450 yuan, converted. That’s a paltry sum, you can’t live on it.

Good thing cost of living in Chinese rural villages is tiny. In most especially the most rural ones you could likely get by on 50rmb a month especially with the community help that comes with village life.

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[–] Sedan@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Shanghai local government you would receive 1500 per month as your basic pension.

Yes, that video talked about that. We're talking about the provinces, not Shanghai.

That old Chinese woman who lied about not receiving a pension was from a remote province.

I didn’t say it wasn’t. I said it was an anecdote.

Personally, I don't find it funny.

get by on 50rmb

Can you imagine the gap between the city and the village?

especially with the community help that comes with village life.

As a child, my parents took me to my grandmother's village for the summer holidays. It was a collective farm. I observed how the collective farmers lived.

You could survive without a salary; everyone had their own garden and livestock or poultry. I know what that's like.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Personally, I don’t find it funny.

Please look up what anecdote/anecdotal evidence means

You could survive without a salary; everyone had their own garden and livestock or poultry. I know what that’s like.

And I am from a rural Chinese village so I know even better than you.

Can you imagine the gap between the city and the village?

Thoughts of someone who hasn't studied theory or China. Cities obviously develop faster than rural areas.

If only you could have seen mine and our neighbouring villages even 15 years ago not to mind 20 30 50 years ago compared to today. You wouldn't be spreading all of this bullshit about rural people not seeing any benefits

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[–] Sedan@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

Thoughts of someone who hasn’t studied theory or China.

As someone who doesn't study theory, I think Chiang Kai-shek built Shanghai according to the Western model, with Western money. How much longer will you continue to build and develop it?

what anecdote/anecdotal evidence means

Google translates it as a joke.

Cities obviously develop faster than rural areas.

If you're talking about urbanization, I know. In 1930, peasants made up 80% of the USSR's population. The same situation was in China. What development are you talking about? If a city is developing, then peasants need to be resettled from the villages to the city so they can become workers.

A city can't develop without people.

But you can't resettle everyone; some will stay.

If only you could have seen mine and our neighbouring villages

Yes, that's right, that video said that the rich regions are doing well, I didn't argue with you about that.

You wouldn’t be spreading all of this bullshit about rural people not seeing any benefits

If you hadn't spoken so harshly to me, I probably would have kept quiet, Comrade.

OK. You're from Shanghai or thereabouts. Please tell me, how much does a Chinese peasant who came to Shanghai without a residence permit earn per month?

How much does a janitor in Shanghai, who is a Chinese peasant, earn?

I'd be happy to believe you, but I once spoke with a resident of St. Petersburg who has no idea how people live beyond the Urals. When it comes to national pride, people try to hide their shortcomings, especially if you're a staunch Chinese communist. The USSR also hid a lot, even from its own citizens. So your information isn't objective to me, sorry, Comrade.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

that video said that the rich regions are doing well,

I am not from a rich region 🤣

You’re from Shanghai or thereabouts

Not at all

If you hadn’t spoken so harshly to me, I probably would have kept quiet

And if you hadn't been spreading bullshit I wouldn't have felt the need to speak harshly. It would have been best if you had kept quiet instead of speaking nonsense.

Comrade I think we should leave this here. Maybe we can talk again when you decide to educate yourself before speaking.

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[–] Sedan@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago

And if you hadn’t been spreading bullshit I wouldn’t have felt the need to speak harshly.

The thing is, I've heard this from a Chinese person many times on Reddit, and not only from a Chinese person. For some reason, I continue to act like an idiot.

And I don't really like it, Comrade, that you sometimes don't answer questions.

A janitor's salary in Shanghai is $80-$100 per month. A Chinese farmer/worker without a residence permit in Shanghai earns $200-$400.

Please correct me.

Maybe we can talk again when you decide to educate yourself before speaking.

As you wish

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

your source is youtube; think on that.

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[–] Sedan@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

I show you YouTube, you show me the Chinese newspaper Pravda. It seems to me that the information is equivalent... )))

Seriously, please don't take me for an idiot who peddles fake news.

I didn't ask you, Comrade, to point out my sources. I showed you a video where a Russian guy studying and living in Harbin talks about how the Chinese pension system works, as explained to him by his Chinese university professor. And I asked you to tell me whether it's true or not.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Please search what anecdote means before getting offended or assuming what it means

Anecdotal evidence is evidence based on descriptions and reports of individual, personal experiences, or observations, collected in a non-systematic manner.

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[–] Sedan@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago

Russian interpretation

I translated

"Anekdot is a genre of urban folklore: a short, funny, and self-contained story. It usually builds on an unexpected and witty punchline at the very end, poking fun at human foibles, stereotypes, or current events."

Yes, I misunderstood you.

In fact, YouTube is teeming with these videos about China, but they're mostly positive.

But I just don't believe it when everything is good, so I look for the catch.

You can find anything in Russia. St. Petersburg and Moscow are just a showcase; go beyond the Urals and you'll feel sad. It's a region with incredible natural gas deposits, and some megacities rely on wood fires for heating.

I'm not even talking about the villages there.

I met a Chinese guy on Reddit, but he lives in the US. His father fled Mao's Cultural Revolution at the time. He probably has relatives in China and knows about it.

But at least he believes at least some of my jokes. I've been communicating with him for a year and a half now.

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