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[–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Most people, including myself consider honey to not be vegan. I'll admit that it's a lower moral priority for me, since insects very likely have a much lower capacity for sentience than mammals, birds and aquatic creatures. My specific issues with honey production are both moral and environmental:

  • Artificial insemination typically requires the crushing of drones to extract semen.
  • It's pretty common practice to clip the wings of queens to keep them from leaving the hive.
  • Transporting bees and hives increases the spread of diseases which can affect wild insects.
  • Western Honeybees are invasive to many parts of the world, including the Americas.
  • Studies have shown that Honeybees disrupt local plant/pollinator networks by outcompeting local pollinators.

This article goes into more detail: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-problem-with-honey-bees/

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Wow, thanks, didn't know most of that before.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Yeah it kind of blew my mind when I started looking into it. Pretty much everyone assumes that beekeeping is beneficial to the environment. There's a rather famous quote among ecologists, "Conserving honeybees to save pollinators is like conserving chickens to save the birds."

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Cool well I appreciate your answers, all things I could Google but it’s nice to hear from someone directly their thoughts on it.

    I’m not vegan myself, but starting to go low meat. Ive lived around farm animals some and have a great deal of respect for them and consider them to be sentient beings with feelings and consciousness.

    Respect for vegans even if I haven’t gone that way yet. Have a lovely rest of your day! :)

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