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AOC surges to lead in 2028 primary for first time (www.newsweek.com)
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[+] -41 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (23 children)

EDIT: Looks like I'm wrong and AOC changed her stance on Israel. Now the whole Democratic Party needs to do the same.

Probably better than Greasy Gavin, but still voted in favor of Israel IIRC.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah but apparently she later changed her stance. I don't remember the details but it's quite recent.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I hadn't heard that. Will need to read up on it.

    Last I read she was doing the whole bullshit "I support defensive weapons" nonsense that Dems started pushing when it became clear that people were pissed about the genocide and AIPAC.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    No, she changed her stance. It's really frustrating that people like you feel the need to try to sway people's opinions and are also totally wrong about the reality of the situation. At least you could keep on top of the information, if you actually cared. You don't care though.

    This happened quite a while ago and you only heard about the bad thing because people wanted you to be apathetic. You're attempting to spread that same apathy to others. That's how we end up getting the same thing over and over. It's easy to make people on the left not participate because "they're all bad candidates." They aren't all bad though, but it's easy to take one thing and blow it up, especially when you aren't tied to reality.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Not at all. If I'm wrong I like being corrected. (Hence why I said I need to read up on it, which maybe you skipped?)

    For the most part I appreciate AOC, at least rhetorically (because too much of the time she's voted with the genociders), but at the same time I'm not a mind reader nor omniscient. Definitely not apathetic either, but also not a political junkie.

    So maybe stop wagging the finger and pushing away voters who might actually support your side if you weren't such an insufferable jerk.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    If the reason someone doesn’t support my side is because I am a little bit mean, then they were not ever on my side to begin with.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    If being an asshole is so important to you that you'd drive away people who support your side, you're the problem. Not them.

    Grow up and be a reasonable person. "Support me even though I obviously hate you" is an absurd way to approach people if you honestly expect to create change.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    You're the one pushing people away. You made a comment, with the intent to make people not vote, with less than accurate information. I don't care to push you away, if you're already away to begin with. I care to make you not push others away.

    Its impossible to know if someone is genuine or not, but there are a lot of trolls (and it's only going to get worse) specifically trying to make people not vote. I can't know if you honestly believe what you said or not, but you're functionally the same as a troll trying to spread voter apathy.

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Oh fuck off, this is how you get Trump 2.0

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Trump probably lost both the primary in 2016 and general elections both times, but we will never know for sure because most of the vote counts were not counted by humans in easy to understand ways.

    Real democracies have ways to count ballots everyone is ok with, recounts are allowed. Witnesses standing in for each candidate see the counting take place and can ask for a do over.

    Here, in the USA, many people see such things as quant and old fashioned; most votes are counted in literally mysterious ways; by things run by oligarchs or the very people invested in winning. And recounts are often not allowed. And often when recounts are done it’s just asking the above companies if things are ok.

    Things are not ok as shown by United Nations tests to detect mass fraud, and exit polls as well as polling data before elections.

    But anyone trying to have a discussion about this is automatically not part of mainstream politics. I remember huge tech conventions about this subject I am talking about ; but all were soundly ignored by all parties and mainstream media.

    In fact, the price of participation in mainstream politics in real life or social media, is turning a blind eye to all this.

    And that is how you get a Trump. Followed by lame controlled opposition, followed by another Trump.

    I think most Americans do not understand democracy is both voting and making sure that vote is accurately counted. In some states it is.

    But honestly, I don’t think Americans as a people can do democracy.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (12 children)

    LOL

    How quickly people on this thread forget that the American people are sick and tired of funding the genocide while they themselves can't afford a trip to the grocery store, and maybe it's an issue Dems should take into consideration since it (arguably) sunk the Harris campaign.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    No clue why you're gettimg downvoted. Sometimes it feels like Lemmy exists in this weird quasi liberal bubble where they think leftist=tankie. Like do the people replyimg to go not understand that the DNC has a record low approval rating as well?

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago*

    There are a lot of Reddit libs migrating here as that platform enshittifies who haven’t had their awakening yet. They still think they’re left and progressive, or - perhaps more accurately - that the DNC is the progressive, left-leaning choice; when in reality it’s at best a center-right party with an increasing number of obvious incidents of being controlled opposition when it comes to a number of issues (including and especially Israel)

    Yeah like whoopsie we almost stopped Trump from spending literally all the money on bombing Iran for basically no fucking reason, but ONE Democrat broke ranks AGAIN guys? Oh, John Fetterman? Again? Oh jeez, well we tried guys, it just wasn’t in the cards. Maybe if you vote Blue no matter who even harder next time we can write a sternly-worded-enough bill to condemn these actions!

    Anyway I’m ranting but they need to make that journey. It’s not enough and it never will be, the DNC. The best for now is to use it as a launching platform for actual progressives and leftists.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah but a lot of american people are also zionists so it's not so simple

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Let's look at the zionist vote, then.

    Most of them are republicans. You cannot get their votes. The others are genocide wing democrats. The same wing that's always telling everyone to vote blue no matter who.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    schumer is the top democrat in the country and he's a rabid zionist. Like yes i agree with you, im strongly antizionist but there's no candidate in the genral election for people like me, even on this single issue.

    mainstream media wants you to think AOC and Tlaib represent the democratic party but they really dont and they have very little influence on what happens in Washington, unfortunately of course.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I'm talking about the voters here, not the legislators.

    In case you've missed it, there's a lot of anger against the genocide wing of the party. But yeah, let's devote ourselves to netanyahu's slightest whim because schumer.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Yeah and there's a lot of anger from the genocide wing too, as wrong as it is a ton of people are genocidal including many democrat voters

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The ones who are always saying to vote blue no matter who. They can give up on a policy for the very first time ever.

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