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My world is so much better because of immigrants (lemmy.world)
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I can eat sushi, pizza, samosas, kebab (kabobs, döner or shawarmas depending on your frame of reference), gyoza/pot stickers/tortellone/pasteczki (or whatever), noodles/ramen/spaghetti, knödeln/kroppkakor and so on and so on. Leaving lots of cultures unsaid.

I can enjoy music, cringy cultural movies (animated and not), fun cirque sessions (even without animals being endangered), go to festivals for various cultures, enjoin then in our cultures of scouting, mountaineering, hiking and share my love of enjoying nature.

I can drive electric cars, communicate on Internet forums, keep in touch with new friends as well as loved ones across the world.

I would be in a much poorer world without you all.

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[–] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Fun fact for you: All döner is kebab, but not all kebab is döner. Because döner is just a type of kebab (grilled meat on a stick). Which also means that shawarma's status as kebab is questionable, as it's usually sometimes roasted or pan fried, as far as I know.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Pan fried shawarma is something Im still trying to get used to. The Lebanese Shawarma places in Ottawa all stack the chicken on a stick rotisserie and it is cooked exactly like the lamb or beef kebabs, they then slice thin portions off of it just the same.

    It wasnt until I moved out west that I ever saw Shawarma done any other way, and everything out here has been disappointing by comparison.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The name shāwarmā in Arabic is a rendering of the term çevirme in Ottoman Turkish (چيويرمى [tʃeviɾˈme], lit. 'turning; hence, roughly synonymous to döner in this context'), referring to rotisserie.>

    So maybe it depends whose version of shawarma you've had. All the ones I've seen so far (in different European countries) have been with rotisserie /doner kebab.

    Names seem interchangeable in many places, in my experience. When I was a kid the difference between kebab and shawarma used to be that one was in a bun and the other was a wrap, for some reason. The bun has been phased out, unfortunately, and now it's only wraps everywhere.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Thanks for that etymology bit. I wonder why I never bothered to check, but it makes perfect sense, as I know Turkish.

    And yeah, I should have used "sometimes" not "usually". Pan fried shawarma is a thing, while döner isn't, so depending on the way it's prepared it may technically not be kebab.

    Btw, kebab doesn't need to involve any bread element whatsoever. In fact, in places that use the term natively, it usually isn't. Kebab is just any grilled meat on a stick, and often is just the equivalent of BBQ.

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