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[+] 69 points 5 months ago (13 children)
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    Also, the industrial revolution fucked over a lot of people during the transition period so even if it was an accurate comparison it's rather callous to celebrate it.

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  • [–] 35 points 5 months ago

    New machines can't count the 'r's in "strawberry".

    No, they can! They just first need to have a system prompt instructing them to generate and run a python script to do it.

    And yet, it's us meatbags being called inefficient.

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  • [+] -11 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Your echo chamber told you something, and you failed to verify that info. You're no better than the "LLMbeciles".

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    The thing is, that broadly these sorts of hiccups happen all the time, but every time one of them escalates to 'meme' status, they can institute covering for it in pretty short order.

    When you use them routinely, you see them do the hiccups regularly on random things you weren't expecting, but if one of those hiccups goes viral, then it stops working.

    I managed to get in barely in time to see the seahorse emoji before the meme became self-defeating.

    The viral instances only work very briefly to illustrate a behavior, as very well known specific examples will get covered. In your case, at one point suddenly all the LLMs were really good at knowing the letters in strawberry, but you ask about other words they would fall over because they only had that specific thing there. By now, I suspect most have implemented a scheme to ensure a more appropriate mechanism handles counting letters in a word, to spare the embarassment.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    I'm glad you've taken a nuanced approach to the issue. The technology is constantly changing and there are lots of genuine reasons to be concerned about AI. This just isn't one of them anymore.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I wouldn't say the inability to count the 'r's in strawberry was ever a 'concern', but a demonstrator. It demonstrated two things.

    One, a quirk of how tokens work, which innately is a pretty benign limitation in and of itself, perhaps a bit amusing. We don't really need GenAI help to do nitty gritty stuff with the letters.

    The more troubling facet was the fact it would spit out something like "There is one r in strawberry" instead of "Due to limitations of the technology, that answer is unavailable". The tendency to spew something that structurally resembles the desired result with apparent confidence and certainty despite no basis for it being true is on display there. This is absolutely still the case broadly. The challenge being humans aren't used to dealing with being bombarded with that baseless certainty and have a hard time gauging the credibility when facts and fiction are presented with equal apparent confidence. Certainly some business leaders and politicians thrive on the confident but dumb answer, but generally we recognize those as bad scenarios, and LLMs firmly share that trait.

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    There are lots of great reasons to be critical of AI. Point to the power consumption, point towards the safety issues, but avoid using out of date examples as they weaken your stance.

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    You pointed to something that was out of date. I helped you make your argument stronger and you got butthurt about it.

    Glad I could teach you something, kid.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Your first one is actually a pretty good example of something a lot of LLM fanatics won't believe. They believe in "reasoning" models as actually reasoning, and are not receptive to the reality that while it looks like reasoning, and even obviously the expenditure of more tokens is resulting in better final results, it isn't "reasoning".

    It declares step 3 to be 'botched' and then does the exact same step 3 and declares it good, and from an actual reasoning perspective it makes no sense, as it would have been step 4 that was about to be a mistake.

    So it arrives at the correct sequence, but it clearly didn't get through by "logic-ing" it, it just modeled that a mistake should be acknowledged around step three, because that's when folks generally flub it, and presented the rationale that is always provided to explain. It doesn't make actual sense, but it has the effect of the correct answer being reached, but not through actual abstract reasoning.

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