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Why is The New York Times so afraid of Zohran Mamdani? (www.middleeasteye.net)
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The liberal establishment's war on the New York City mayoral candidate reflects panic over a growing left challenge to Zionist orthodoxy and the mainstreaming of Palestine solidarity

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[+] -8 points 1 year ago (27 children)

"Communism" as it was in history should 100% invoke that reaction. The dude is not a communist tho.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Maybe. The natural reflex is to point out the horrors of capitalism, but people are more okay with that.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Not "maybe". Countries were screwed over by communists, people murdered in the thousands with famines that killed millions. People excusing communism - either the Soviet Union or China are delusional.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Isn't the problem there authoritarianism? The Nazis were also authoritarian shitheads, but not communists.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Source: Author's ass crack.

    These claims come from the "Black Book of Communism", an old propaganda piece with wildly bullshit claims (provably so)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    These "claims" as you put it come from a person who has lived in an area and talked to their parents and grandparents about it. So stay in your lane with your "hurr durr propaganda". Soviets were war criminals, not a utopia and anyone saying otherwise is the one that's brainwashed by history revisionism.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Communism tyrants and authoritarian dictatorships. Get a grip. Nobody has done real communism. They give the people fake participation while the wealth and power go to the top. It doesn’t matter which system you choose, if the rich and powerful take control you’re fucked. Capitalism worked for a while in the US, now it’s fucked because of the rich people.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Still upset about the battle of Berlin, I see.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    No, about Katyn and the years of occupation that followed till 89' actually. And about Holodomor. And about using tanks against civilians. And about a ton of other things that tankies don't know about because they think the Soviet Union was perfect

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Ok, so what is your solution? Besides calling everyone to your left a commie?

    Capitalism is no longer working. The status quo is untenable.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    My solution is to not glorify the Soviet Union as some sort of enlightened country when in reality it was a shithole that killed millions of people.

    Also, don't put words in my mouth. Just because you think in "tribes" and everyone that doesn't think exactly like you is your enemy, doesn't mean other people are just as naive.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    My solution is to not glorify the Soviet Union as some sort of enlightened country

    Am I doing that, or have you just decided that you hate everyone to your left and only your left and therefore they must be commies?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I said "communism as it was in history should evoke a negative reaction. You then jumped in saying what basically amounts to "you are a nazi mad about losing". I then said "no, I am mad about attrocities done to the various peoples because of the soviet union. To which you then respond "what else are we supposed to do?"

    So:

    1. You are arguing that communism as it was in history shouldn't invoke a negative reaction

    2. You are calling me a nazi

    3. You are deflecting from the attrocities of communism and going "whatabout capitalism".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    You are arguing that communism as it was in history shouldn’t invoke a negative reaction

    If you would prefer that they hadn't joined the Allies, just say so.

    You are calling me a nazi

    You call people to your left commies. And it's clear that you consider only one to be evil.

    You are deflecting from the attrocities of communism and going “whatabout capitalism”.

    No, I'm asking what your solution is, as the current situation is untenable. So far your response has been "ur uh commie! Stop talking about the system in which you live and hate the commies!"

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    No I don't call people "to my left" commies. I even specifically said "Zohran isn't a communist". But by all means, keep attacking the strawman that you put up. Doesn't change the fact that the Soviet Union was a terror state that screwed up several countries and killed millions (and if you need the clarification, millions after WW2 was over). I'm done talking to a wall, have a nice day.

    Edit: and to your point about the Soviet Union joining the allies - I would very much rather they didn't start the war along with Nazi Germany by invading Poland at the same time, signing a nonagression pact with the Nazis, sending people to gulags where thousands died. But that's a tiny detail right, who cares that they were one of the two that started it all.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No I don’t call people “to my left” commies. I even specifically said “Zohran isn’t a communist”.

    And yet, when prompted to offer solutions to the situation the US is in now, your solution was "ZOMG COMMIES." It's in this thread. Capitalism got us here, not communism. It's clear that you have no solutions but don't like anyone else's.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, there is only one party that is busy implementing their secret police

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Yes, because there is only one party you mean. Oh, no, you didn't mean the KGB, the black cars disappearing people, you just wanted to go "whatabout Murica" like that matters to the fact that communism hasn't worked out in history and resulted in oppression.

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