▲ 50 ▼ Behind the Scenes Hardening Firefox with Claude Mythos Preview – Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog (hacks.mozilla.org) submitted 6 months ago by General_Effort@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 38 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Nomad@infosec.pub 39 points 6 months ago (31 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 31 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 10 points 6 months ago (13 children) Yes. I hesitated to post this because I understand that many here would prefer not to know. But, at least, people need a chance to learn the facts and make their own decisions. The amount of anti-AI disinformation is crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SilentKnightOwl@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm anti LLM for a lot of applications, for a lot of reasons, but there are obviously things that it is useful for, and I think this is one of them. If a cybersecurity specialist reviews the flaws flagged by the LLM, confirms they are legitimate, and uses that data to fix them, I don't see an issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 1 point 6 months ago A very useful thing I found is the following: take a couple hours thinking about interesting research ideas. Work out with chatgpt existing solutions and identify key publications. Use Claude code to modify existing software to do something new. In one day of work you got a proof of concept of whether your idea may work. Of course from there on you have to work it out and make it good, but having a confirmation quickly completely changes the fact that you normally have to go through dozens of papers and take several months to review existing publications on the topic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (9 children) The amount of Claude Mythos disinformation pushed by MSM is crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (8 children) That hasn't aged well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago* (7 children) Why do you think that? Were you thinking of this instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children) Why do you think that? *gestures at OP* Were you thinking of this instead? No. Why would I? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (5 children) What makes you think your article makes Anthropic look any less meager or perverse (respectively) in the two articles I provided? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children) I don't actually know what you mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (3 children) I provided articles that describe it. What specific things do you think are wrong about them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) I simply don't know what you mean at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) What part of the article confused you? It seems pretty clear to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago @General_Effort@lemmy.world ? I hear using AI too much breaks your brain and causes you to shut down when trying to understand things. Did you take a break vom Verteidigen der Spielzeuge deines neuen Führers and come back to the articles I provided to you? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Repelle@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (10 children) 4.6 Opus was a huge jump from earlier models and the first that was actually useful for things like this from my experience (and 4.7 is significantly worse for some reason). I have made many anti-LLM posts here and I remain pretty negative on them, but they have absolutely become useful. Part of the problem is the truth is really somewhere between the insane promises and the dismissals. My problems are many fold though, from being propped up by insane subsidies, the massive power usage to the thing I most care about: taking more power from the masses. The more useful they get, the more power gets concentrated to those able to afford the data centers. Computers used to be at least somewhat democratizing, sure there were some things like weather modeling that an ordinary person couldn’t do, but a random person on thier computer could put something together to change the world. What happens when the breakthroughs are available only for the wealthiest? Regular folks can buy tokens at a reasonable price today, but running cutting edge models on consumer hardware isn’t really feasible. We’ve ceded too much control. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Nomad@infosec.pub 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago* What democratization? The AI companies you prefer are creating a worse oligarchy in an economic and warmonger sense. This should disturb the people who don't have their heads buried deep in the sand, or in the orifices of Satya Nadella or Dario Amodei. permalink fedilink source parent [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 6 months ago (7 children) taking more power from the masses. That's promoted by AI haters. The copyright people want to privatize human knowledge and charge rent for it. The latest lawsuit against Meta even includes Elsevier, ffs. Then there's all the busy-bodies who want everything surveilled "for the children". Cause people might be chatting about self-harm, or generate nudes, or some other "harmful" content. a random person on thier computer could put something together to change the world. Yes. For example the random people who founded these AI start-ups. Right now, the world of technology is uniquely malleable in a way it has not been since the dotcom crash. That's what motivates most of the hate. It's people who feel that they will lose out; eg the news media that already suffers from the rise of the internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children) it is actively trying to destroy society, How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) Those issues are something that societies and democratically elected representatives should work out; not some billionaires. The problem seems to be that some people with a good thing going don't want something that benefits them personally. They prefer no change over something that benefits everyone (but them relatively less). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I agree. Now note how far away from AI this is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago I did ask for more info about how AI is "destroying society". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago (2 children) General_Effort, it's pretty clear that you are an AI evangelist, so you should know this already. But for people who are genuinely unfamiliar, they should look at the creepy words of Anthropic ally, Palantir. Palantir’s ‘manifesto’ has been described as an ‘AI-driven threat to humanity’s existence’ and ‘technofascism’. Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race Leaked: Palantir’s Plan to Help ICE Deport People permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's 1 company, not AI as a whole, and its services are obviously much in demand by our democratically elected leaders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago Not only are they the company you decided to post about here, but they are the company people will often claim is the ethical one. OpenAI and X are worse. You can't just stick your head in the sand when you see inconvenient truths. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] XLE@piefed.social -5 points 6 months ago (5 children) Would he have any moral or ethical concerns about promoting a tool that was used to legitimize killing in children in Iran? https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/initiatives/great-tech-great-responsibility/addressing-ethical-issues-tech-worker/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago You seem like the kind of person who owns a salt lamp. permalink fedilink source parent [–] XLE@piefed.social -1 points 6 months ago (3 children) @Nomad@infosec.pub thoughts, now that you read this? I hope you and your friend don't turn a blind eye. Mozilla's ethical stance is important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Nomad@infosec.pub 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm learning a lot about Mozilla's ethics today. It sounds like you and your friend believe they are outmoded. Anthropic is not just a toolmaker, they host the thing that was used to decide to kill children, and its CEO Dario Amodei has expressed desire to continue building war weapons. In retrospect, do you and your friend believe that the product made by a homophobe such as Brendan Eich is just a tool too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago* @Nomad@infosec.pub if you're going to interact, please remember that you were accepted by the Firefox fan community as a spokesperson for your Mozilla employee friend. How deeply are you and friend burying your heads? Surely your ethics hasn't degenerated into no longer believing the thing you said a few hours ago, I hope. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 10 points 6 months ago (13 children) Yes. I hesitated to post this because I understand that many here would prefer not to know. But, at least, people need a chance to learn the facts and make their own decisions. The amount of anti-AI disinformation is crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SilentKnightOwl@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm anti LLM for a lot of applications, for a lot of reasons, but there are obviously things that it is useful for, and I think this is one of them. If a cybersecurity specialist reviews the flaws flagged by the LLM, confirms they are legitimate, and uses that data to fix them, I don't see an issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 1 point 6 months ago A very useful thing I found is the following: take a couple hours thinking about interesting research ideas. Work out with chatgpt existing solutions and identify key publications. Use Claude code to modify existing software to do something new. In one day of work you got a proof of concept of whether your idea may work. Of course from there on you have to work it out and make it good, but having a confirmation quickly completely changes the fact that you normally have to go through dozens of papers and take several months to review existing publications on the topic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (9 children) The amount of Claude Mythos disinformation pushed by MSM is crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (8 children) That hasn't aged well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago* (7 children) Why do you think that? Were you thinking of this instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children) Why do you think that? *gestures at OP* Were you thinking of this instead? No. Why would I? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (5 children) What makes you think your article makes Anthropic look any less meager or perverse (respectively) in the two articles I provided? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children) I don't actually know what you mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (3 children) I provided articles that describe it. What specific things do you think are wrong about them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) I simply don't know what you mean at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) What part of the article confused you? It seems pretty clear to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago @General_Effort@lemmy.world ? I hear using AI too much breaks your brain and causes you to shut down when trying to understand things. Did you take a break vom Verteidigen der Spielzeuge deines neuen Führers and come back to the articles I provided to you? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] SilentKnightOwl@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm anti LLM for a lot of applications, for a lot of reasons, but there are obviously things that it is useful for, and I think this is one of them. If a cybersecurity specialist reviews the flaws flagged by the LLM, confirms they are legitimate, and uses that data to fix them, I don't see an issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 1 point 6 months ago A very useful thing I found is the following: take a couple hours thinking about interesting research ideas. Work out with chatgpt existing solutions and identify key publications. Use Claude code to modify existing software to do something new. In one day of work you got a proof of concept of whether your idea may work. Of course from there on you have to work it out and make it good, but having a confirmation quickly completely changes the fact that you normally have to go through dozens of papers and take several months to review existing publications on the topic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 1 point 6 months ago A very useful thing I found is the following: take a couple hours thinking about interesting research ideas. Work out with chatgpt existing solutions and identify key publications. Use Claude code to modify existing software to do something new. In one day of work you got a proof of concept of whether your idea may work. Of course from there on you have to work it out and make it good, but having a confirmation quickly completely changes the fact that you normally have to go through dozens of papers and take several months to review existing publications on the topic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (9 children) The amount of Claude Mythos disinformation pushed by MSM is crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (8 children) That hasn't aged well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago* (7 children) Why do you think that? Were you thinking of this instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children) Why do you think that? *gestures at OP* Were you thinking of this instead? No. Why would I? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (5 children) What makes you think your article makes Anthropic look any less meager or perverse (respectively) in the two articles I provided? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children) I don't actually know what you mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (3 children) I provided articles that describe it. What specific things do you think are wrong about them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) I simply don't know what you mean at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) What part of the article confused you? It seems pretty clear to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago @General_Effort@lemmy.world ? I hear using AI too much breaks your brain and causes you to shut down when trying to understand things. Did you take a break vom Verteidigen der Spielzeuge deines neuen Führers and come back to the articles I provided to you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (8 children) That hasn't aged well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago* (7 children) Why do you think that? Were you thinking of this instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children) Why do you think that? *gestures at OP* Were you thinking of this instead? No. Why would I? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (5 children) What makes you think your article makes Anthropic look any less meager or perverse (respectively) in the two articles I provided? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children) I don't actually know what you mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (3 children) I provided articles that describe it. What specific things do you think are wrong about them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) I simply don't know what you mean at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) What part of the article confused you? It seems pretty clear to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago @General_Effort@lemmy.world ? I hear using AI too much breaks your brain and causes you to shut down when trying to understand things. Did you take a break vom Verteidigen der Spielzeuge deines neuen Führers and come back to the articles I provided to you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago* (7 children) Why do you think that? Were you thinking of this instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children) Why do you think that? *gestures at OP* Were you thinking of this instead? No. Why would I? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (5 children) What makes you think your article makes Anthropic look any less meager or perverse (respectively) in the two articles I provided? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children) I don't actually know what you mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (3 children) I provided articles that describe it. What specific things do you think are wrong about them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) I simply don't know what you mean at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) What part of the article confused you? It seems pretty clear to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago @General_Effort@lemmy.world ? I hear using AI too much breaks your brain and causes you to shut down when trying to understand things. Did you take a break vom Verteidigen der Spielzeuge deines neuen Führers and come back to the articles I provided to you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children) Why do you think that? *gestures at OP* Were you thinking of this instead? No. Why would I? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (5 children) What makes you think your article makes Anthropic look any less meager or perverse (respectively) in the two articles I provided? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children) I don't actually know what you mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (3 children) I provided articles that describe it. What specific things do you think are wrong about them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) I simply don't know what you mean at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) What part of the article confused you? It seems pretty clear to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago @General_Effort@lemmy.world ? I hear using AI too much breaks your brain and causes you to shut down when trying to understand things. Did you take a break vom Verteidigen der Spielzeuge deines neuen Führers and come back to the articles I provided to you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (5 children) What makes you think your article makes Anthropic look any less meager or perverse (respectively) in the two articles I provided? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children) I don't actually know what you mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (3 children) I provided articles that describe it. What specific things do you think are wrong about them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) I simply don't know what you mean at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) What part of the article confused you? It seems pretty clear to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago @General_Effort@lemmy.world ? I hear using AI too much breaks your brain and causes you to shut down when trying to understand things. Did you take a break vom Verteidigen der Spielzeuge deines neuen Führers and come back to the articles I provided to you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children) I don't actually know what you mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (3 children) I provided articles that describe it. What specific things do you think are wrong about them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) I simply don't know what you mean at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) What part of the article confused you? It seems pretty clear to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago @General_Effort@lemmy.world ? I hear using AI too much breaks your brain and causes you to shut down when trying to understand things. Did you take a break vom Verteidigen der Spielzeuge deines neuen Führers and come back to the articles I provided to you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago (3 children) I provided articles that describe it. What specific things do you think are wrong about them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) I simply don't know what you mean at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) What part of the article confused you? It seems pretty clear to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago @General_Effort@lemmy.world ? I hear using AI too much breaks your brain and causes you to shut down when trying to understand things. Did you take a break vom Verteidigen der Spielzeuge deines neuen Führers and come back to the articles I provided to you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) I simply don't know what you mean at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) What part of the article confused you? It seems pretty clear to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago @General_Effort@lemmy.world ? I hear using AI too much breaks your brain and causes you to shut down when trying to understand things. Did you take a break vom Verteidigen der Spielzeuge deines neuen Führers and come back to the articles I provided to you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) What part of the article confused you? It seems pretty clear to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago @General_Effort@lemmy.world ? I hear using AI too much breaks your brain and causes you to shut down when trying to understand things. Did you take a break vom Verteidigen der Spielzeuge deines neuen Führers and come back to the articles I provided to you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago @General_Effort@lemmy.world ? I hear using AI too much breaks your brain and causes you to shut down when trying to understand things. Did you take a break vom Verteidigen der Spielzeuge deines neuen Führers and come back to the articles I provided to you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Repelle@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (10 children) 4.6 Opus was a huge jump from earlier models and the first that was actually useful for things like this from my experience (and 4.7 is significantly worse for some reason). I have made many anti-LLM posts here and I remain pretty negative on them, but they have absolutely become useful. Part of the problem is the truth is really somewhere between the insane promises and the dismissals. My problems are many fold though, from being propped up by insane subsidies, the massive power usage to the thing I most care about: taking more power from the masses. The more useful they get, the more power gets concentrated to those able to afford the data centers. Computers used to be at least somewhat democratizing, sure there were some things like weather modeling that an ordinary person couldn’t do, but a random person on thier computer could put something together to change the world. What happens when the breakthroughs are available only for the wealthiest? Regular folks can buy tokens at a reasonable price today, but running cutting edge models on consumer hardware isn’t really feasible. We’ve ceded too much control. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Nomad@infosec.pub 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago* What democratization? The AI companies you prefer are creating a worse oligarchy in an economic and warmonger sense. This should disturb the people who don't have their heads buried deep in the sand, or in the orifices of Satya Nadella or Dario Amodei. permalink fedilink source parent [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 6 months ago (7 children) taking more power from the masses. That's promoted by AI haters. The copyright people want to privatize human knowledge and charge rent for it. The latest lawsuit against Meta even includes Elsevier, ffs. Then there's all the busy-bodies who want everything surveilled "for the children". Cause people might be chatting about self-harm, or generate nudes, or some other "harmful" content. a random person on thier computer could put something together to change the world. Yes. For example the random people who founded these AI start-ups. Right now, the world of technology is uniquely malleable in a way it has not been since the dotcom crash. That's what motivates most of the hate. It's people who feel that they will lose out; eg the news media that already suffers from the rise of the internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children) it is actively trying to destroy society, How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) Those issues are something that societies and democratically elected representatives should work out; not some billionaires. The problem seems to be that some people with a good thing going don't want something that benefits them personally. They prefer no change over something that benefits everyone (but them relatively less). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I agree. Now note how far away from AI this is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago I did ask for more info about how AI is "destroying society". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago (2 children) General_Effort, it's pretty clear that you are an AI evangelist, so you should know this already. But for people who are genuinely unfamiliar, they should look at the creepy words of Anthropic ally, Palantir. Palantir’s ‘manifesto’ has been described as an ‘AI-driven threat to humanity’s existence’ and ‘technofascism’. Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race Leaked: Palantir’s Plan to Help ICE Deport People permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's 1 company, not AI as a whole, and its services are obviously much in demand by our democratically elected leaders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago Not only are they the company you decided to post about here, but they are the company people will often claim is the ethical one. OpenAI and X are worse. You can't just stick your head in the sand when you see inconvenient truths. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Nomad@infosec.pub 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago* What democratization? The AI companies you prefer are creating a worse oligarchy in an economic and warmonger sense. This should disturb the people who don't have their heads buried deep in the sand, or in the orifices of Satya Nadella or Dario Amodei. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago* What democratization? The AI companies you prefer are creating a worse oligarchy in an economic and warmonger sense. This should disturb the people who don't have their heads buried deep in the sand, or in the orifices of Satya Nadella or Dario Amodei. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 6 months ago (7 children) taking more power from the masses. That's promoted by AI haters. The copyright people want to privatize human knowledge and charge rent for it. The latest lawsuit against Meta even includes Elsevier, ffs. Then there's all the busy-bodies who want everything surveilled "for the children". Cause people might be chatting about self-harm, or generate nudes, or some other "harmful" content. a random person on thier computer could put something together to change the world. Yes. For example the random people who founded these AI start-ups. Right now, the world of technology is uniquely malleable in a way it has not been since the dotcom crash. That's what motivates most of the hate. It's people who feel that they will lose out; eg the news media that already suffers from the rise of the internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children) it is actively trying to destroy society, How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) Those issues are something that societies and democratically elected representatives should work out; not some billionaires. The problem seems to be that some people with a good thing going don't want something that benefits them personally. They prefer no change over something that benefits everyone (but them relatively less). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I agree. Now note how far away from AI this is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago I did ask for more info about how AI is "destroying society". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago (2 children) General_Effort, it's pretty clear that you are an AI evangelist, so you should know this already. But for people who are genuinely unfamiliar, they should look at the creepy words of Anthropic ally, Palantir. Palantir’s ‘manifesto’ has been described as an ‘AI-driven threat to humanity’s existence’ and ‘technofascism’. Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race Leaked: Palantir’s Plan to Help ICE Deport People permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's 1 company, not AI as a whole, and its services are obviously much in demand by our democratically elected leaders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago Not only are they the company you decided to post about here, but they are the company people will often claim is the ethical one. OpenAI and X are worse. You can't just stick your head in the sand when you see inconvenient truths. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children) it is actively trying to destroy society, How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) Those issues are something that societies and democratically elected representatives should work out; not some billionaires. The problem seems to be that some people with a good thing going don't want something that benefits them personally. They prefer no change over something that benefits everyone (but them relatively less). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I agree. Now note how far away from AI this is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago I did ask for more info about how AI is "destroying society". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago (2 children) General_Effort, it's pretty clear that you are an AI evangelist, so you should know this already. But for people who are genuinely unfamiliar, they should look at the creepy words of Anthropic ally, Palantir. Palantir’s ‘manifesto’ has been described as an ‘AI-driven threat to humanity’s existence’ and ‘technofascism’. Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race Leaked: Palantir’s Plan to Help ICE Deport People permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's 1 company, not AI as a whole, and its services are obviously much in demand by our democratically elected leaders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago Not only are they the company you decided to post about here, but they are the company people will often claim is the ethical one. OpenAI and X are worse. You can't just stick your head in the sand when you see inconvenient truths. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children) it is actively trying to destroy society, How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) Those issues are something that societies and democratically elected representatives should work out; not some billionaires. The problem seems to be that some people with a good thing going don't want something that benefits them personally. They prefer no change over something that benefits everyone (but them relatively less). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I agree. Now note how far away from AI this is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago I did ask for more info about how AI is "destroying society". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago (2 children) General_Effort, it's pretty clear that you are an AI evangelist, so you should know this already. But for people who are genuinely unfamiliar, they should look at the creepy words of Anthropic ally, Palantir. Palantir’s ‘manifesto’ has been described as an ‘AI-driven threat to humanity’s existence’ and ‘technofascism’. Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race Leaked: Palantir’s Plan to Help ICE Deport People permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's 1 company, not AI as a whole, and its services are obviously much in demand by our democratically elected leaders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago Not only are they the company you decided to post about here, but they are the company people will often claim is the ethical one. OpenAI and X are worse. You can't just stick your head in the sand when you see inconvenient truths. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) Those issues are something that societies and democratically elected representatives should work out; not some billionaires. The problem seems to be that some people with a good thing going don't want something that benefits them personally. They prefer no change over something that benefits everyone (but them relatively less). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I agree. Now note how far away from AI this is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago I did ask for more info about how AI is "destroying society". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) Those issues are something that societies and democratically elected representatives should work out; not some billionaires. The problem seems to be that some people with a good thing going don't want something that benefits them personally. They prefer no change over something that benefits everyone (but them relatively less). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I agree. Now note how far away from AI this is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago I did ask for more info about how AI is "destroying society". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I agree. Now note how far away from AI this is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago I did ask for more info about how AI is "destroying society". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I agree. Now note how far away from AI this is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago I did ask for more info about how AI is "destroying society". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago I did ask for more info about how AI is "destroying society". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago I did ask for more info about how AI is "destroying society". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago (2 children) General_Effort, it's pretty clear that you are an AI evangelist, so you should know this already. But for people who are genuinely unfamiliar, they should look at the creepy words of Anthropic ally, Palantir. Palantir’s ‘manifesto’ has been described as an ‘AI-driven threat to humanity’s existence’ and ‘technofascism’. Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race Leaked: Palantir’s Plan to Help ICE Deport People permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's 1 company, not AI as a whole, and its services are obviously much in demand by our democratically elected leaders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago Not only are they the company you decided to post about here, but they are the company people will often claim is the ethical one. OpenAI and X are worse. You can't just stick your head in the sand when you see inconvenient truths. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's 1 company, not AI as a whole, and its services are obviously much in demand by our democratically elected leaders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago Not only are they the company you decided to post about here, but they are the company people will often claim is the ethical one. OpenAI and X are worse. You can't just stick your head in the sand when you see inconvenient truths. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago Not only are they the company you decided to post about here, but they are the company people will often claim is the ethical one. OpenAI and X are worse. You can't just stick your head in the sand when you see inconvenient truths. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social -5 points 6 months ago (5 children) Would he have any moral or ethical concerns about promoting a tool that was used to legitimize killing in children in Iran? https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/initiatives/great-tech-great-responsibility/addressing-ethical-issues-tech-worker/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago You seem like the kind of person who owns a salt lamp. permalink fedilink source parent [–] XLE@piefed.social -1 points 6 months ago (3 children) @Nomad@infosec.pub thoughts, now that you read this? I hope you and your friend don't turn a blind eye. Mozilla's ethical stance is important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Nomad@infosec.pub 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm learning a lot about Mozilla's ethics today. It sounds like you and your friend believe they are outmoded. Anthropic is not just a toolmaker, they host the thing that was used to decide to kill children, and its CEO Dario Amodei has expressed desire to continue building war weapons. In retrospect, do you and your friend believe that the product made by a homophobe such as Brendan Eich is just a tool too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago* @Nomad@infosec.pub if you're going to interact, please remember that you were accepted by the Firefox fan community as a spokesperson for your Mozilla employee friend. How deeply are you and friend burying your heads? Surely your ethics hasn't degenerated into no longer believing the thing you said a few hours ago, I hope. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago You seem like the kind of person who owns a salt lamp. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social -1 points 6 months ago (3 children) @Nomad@infosec.pub thoughts, now that you read this? I hope you and your friend don't turn a blind eye. Mozilla's ethical stance is important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Nomad@infosec.pub 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm learning a lot about Mozilla's ethics today. It sounds like you and your friend believe they are outmoded. Anthropic is not just a toolmaker, they host the thing that was used to decide to kill children, and its CEO Dario Amodei has expressed desire to continue building war weapons. In retrospect, do you and your friend believe that the product made by a homophobe such as Brendan Eich is just a tool too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago* @Nomad@infosec.pub if you're going to interact, please remember that you were accepted by the Firefox fan community as a spokesperson for your Mozilla employee friend. How deeply are you and friend burying your heads? Surely your ethics hasn't degenerated into no longer believing the thing you said a few hours ago, I hope. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Nomad@infosec.pub 0 points 6 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm learning a lot about Mozilla's ethics today. It sounds like you and your friend believe they are outmoded. Anthropic is not just a toolmaker, they host the thing that was used to decide to kill children, and its CEO Dario Amodei has expressed desire to continue building war weapons. In retrospect, do you and your friend believe that the product made by a homophobe such as Brendan Eich is just a tool too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago* @Nomad@infosec.pub if you're going to interact, please remember that you were accepted by the Firefox fan community as a spokesperson for your Mozilla employee friend. How deeply are you and friend burying your heads? Surely your ethics hasn't degenerated into no longer believing the thing you said a few hours ago, I hope. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm learning a lot about Mozilla's ethics today. It sounds like you and your friend believe they are outmoded. Anthropic is not just a toolmaker, they host the thing that was used to decide to kill children, and its CEO Dario Amodei has expressed desire to continue building war weapons. In retrospect, do you and your friend believe that the product made by a homophobe such as Brendan Eich is just a tool too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago* @Nomad@infosec.pub if you're going to interact, please remember that you were accepted by the Firefox fan community as a spokesperson for your Mozilla employee friend. How deeply are you and friend burying your heads? Surely your ethics hasn't degenerated into no longer believing the thing you said a few hours ago, I hope. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago* @Nomad@infosec.pub if you're going to interact, please remember that you were accepted by the Firefox fan community as a spokesperson for your Mozilla employee friend. How deeply are you and friend burying your heads? Surely your ethics hasn't degenerated into no longer believing the thing you said a few hours ago, I hope. permalink fedilink source parent