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Veganism is Leftism (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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[–] -1 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Decency and mercy are when I place my shot to dispatch an animal to reduce its suffering as much as possible. So, sure whatever makes you feel superior, but you need to understand that you are the meme here.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Decency and mercy are when I place my shot to dispatch an animal to reduce its suffering as much as possible.

    Okay. I appreciate that you do that.

    Have you considered that to reduce the animals suffering as much as possible you could just… not shoot it? And then to on about your day doing literally anything else that makes you happy?

    I’m not going to disagree with you that “but meat tastes better”. Or that hunting is fun and there’s an emotional connection that hunters can get to it.

    But you can literally do anything else other than inflict violence and cruelty on those weaker than you. It’s a choice.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    It's a choice I'm ok with. But hunting is not fun. It's work done for survival, just like gardening, which I also do. I minimize the cruelty by having good aim that I have put a lot of effort into learning and practicing. I'm unmoved by your limp wristed pacifism. I provide for myself and my family, how much of your food do you grow? All your food travels by diesel truck or worse. You are not better than me, and your diet likely has a more negative impact on the environment.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago*

    In point of fact, the environmental impact of shipping plants hundreds of kms is an order of magnitude less than the impact of consuming local meat. But you don't actually care about that, it's sophistry.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Oh man. I could go on again about how it’s not because you can inflict violence that you should and that you’re justified doing so because you can. I’ve already mentioned that in the other reply to you.

    So there are two more points I’d like to make.

    1. Do you think there’s a possibility you’ve been propagandized to the point where critique of meat eating feels like a personal attack? Because if you notice I’ve been nothing but cordial to you while both your comments you tried to do personal attacks. “Go eat kale”, “limp wristed pacifism”, neither are accurate. But would you examine why you feel like resorting to that?

    2. veganism is indeed much better for the environment. Cows are extremely thermodynamically inefficient. If you’re vegan you plant something you eat it and you get the calories you need. For animal farming you have to plant a bunch feed the cow. Plant more feed the cow. Do it for years and then kill the cow. Any argument of efficiency is an argument for veganism. Not against it. So no. Eating meat has a much worse quantifiable impact on the environment. Most studies put it at 10 to 20 times worse. Very easy to look up if you care enough.

    And if you reply to this “what about hunting”, “what about roadkill”, “what about them natives” which are the usual retorts. I’d say who cares about any of that. That’s not even a rounding error in the total meat consumption we do as a species and total amount of unnecessary cruelty we inflict on animals.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Please feel free to elaborate on this obvious nonsense.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    What part confuses you? I didn't stutter.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    So your entire philosophy that justifies needless violence, cruelty to a vulnerable individual, despoiling the environment, and exploiting people doing traumatic jobs because they would starve homeless otherwise, your ENTIRE argument can be expressed in one glib, garbled, arrogant sentence. Hey, if that's all you got, then that's all you got; that in itself is the answer. But if you're trying to show how you can do these things and also embody leftist values, you're failing, and no amount of bluster or irony can change that.

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