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Video: ICE agents drive SUV through protesters at S.F. immigration court (missionlocal.org)
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[–] 38 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Wonder how this would've gone down if all the protesters were also armed. All. Of. Them.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Plenty of possibilities. Standoff, not happened, bloodbath…. I’m leaning towards “not happened”. These Stasi have proven time and again that they like to go for easy targets that are low risk. Kids in school, women, old people…

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    That's what the police want you to think.

    Look how they handle school shooters. 300+ cops responded to Uvalde, TX, and they just sat around with their thumbs up their asses for hours. Similar in Newtown, CT. Similar in Parkland, FL. Similar in Columbine, CO.

    When there is no real threat, police make a big show of using force. When there is an actual possibility of danger, they find any reason they can to fuck right off. Look at any of the Open Carry protests/demonstrations that have been held throughout the US, or even Cliven Bundy's standoff against the Bureau of Land Management.

    The government is terrified of another Ruby Ridge or Waco. A peaceful exercise of the First Amendment right to assembly, with simultaneous peaceful exercise of the 2nd Amendment is much more effective than either alone.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    And how many times do police just say the person they gunned down was armed, but later shown that the person wasn't armed?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Somebody's starting to get the point of right to bear arms.

    Remember when it was a common opinion in the left part of the Web that you should defend your rights legally, whatever that would mean if defending rights is usually done against the law trampling them.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is where we need to be.

    Every American needs to be armed and we need to make it extremely clear to the federal government that we're ready and willing to use the 2nd amendment as it was originally intended.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Oh sure. Give the ICE agents a reason to "fear for their lives" so they can justify shooting civilian protesters. It's not there was a bill passed recently the gave ICE unprecedented power to do as they please.

    Once you surrender that particular high ground, there's no going back. It either revolution of capitulation. So here's the question. Are you ready to arm yourself and face the United States military once Trump decides to use protester violence to declare Martial Law?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If we look at American history, and how the police is dealing with the situations like that, it would've been a mass murder, which would've been later justified by the police as necessary action.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's not what happened when the Black Panthers armed themselves. Police only like shooting at people who can't shoot back. And acorns.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Black Panters weren't killed at once in a mass shooting, because they were killed separately in many smaller shootouts throughout, and ultimately the party was destroyed by a massive FBI operation.
    Or did you thought they were successful?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    So what you're saying is is that they should always have been armed and in groups?

    Black Panthers and the civil rights movement won, in large part because of the threat that the cities would end up getting burned to the ground. The emphasis that school classrooms place on MLK jr's peaceful movement is an attempt to discredit violence is the inevitable outcome when peaceful options are denied.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    They were always armed and in groups. Sometimes they were getting into shootouts with the police (1970th police, mind you, the one without tanks), which ultimately led to them dying or running away. That's why FBI was so afraid, they pulled an enormous operation to sabotage them from the inside. They succeeded, so they didn't have to raid them guns blazing, the tactics they never shy about.
    Did civil rights movement won? Yeah, more or less. Did Black Panters won? No, they were all killed, arrested, disbanded. It's hard to tell whether they helped achieving the legislative victory of the civil rights movement, or hindered it.

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