Was recently banned from a whole bunch of DB0 communities for, as best as I can gather, downvoting once when I viewed by All (potentially accidentally while scrolling).

Important notes:

  1. I don't use scripts.
  2. I don't mass-downvote Communities. If I see a post I generally don't like when browsing All, I may downvote one post, block the Community and move on.
  3. Some of the communities I was banned from don't have any posts in them so I wouldn't have been able to downvote anything.
  4. Of all of these Communities, in my history I downvoted one post in one of them. Voting in this manner is not vote manipulation. It's quite literally a feature of the platform and as a mod of another Community, I would consider it pretty good etiquette.
  5. One of my bans reads "Appeal Granted, not a brigading member" but I'm still banned.
  6. I don't troll.

WTF is going on here?

EDIT - Updated Info from the conversation below: In the initial image, you can see two "ban waves."

The 10 bans three months ago stem from a single downvote in one Community. It was @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com See here: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/34853477

I was called out by name for a single downvote and culled from a score of Communities I did not participate in by them.

The other bans from two months ago are from four total downvotes over a 10-month timeframe in one Community.

I have also stated in this thread that I don't have issues with AI-gen images, but there are shoddy ones and well-done ones.

EDIT 2: Now unbanned from the ten Communities listed as "3 months ago" in my initial image, but have been banned from three more because of this thread with the reason given being "self-proclaimed anti-AI brigader" which are two things I didn't claim to be. God dammit Lemmy...

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[–] 34 points 1 year ago (70 children)

Db0ero is explicitely pro AI

I would guess the Mod has gone full shizo and banned you from the whole instance and everywhere he could because you downvoted an AI generated image.

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  • [–] [S] 45 points 1 year ago* (48 children)

    I don't make it a habit of downvoting images simply because they're AI-gen, but there are well-done ones and horrible ones just like any images. Do they really ban for simply downvoting ANY AI image? That's... kind of a lot.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (32 children)

    I'm still trying to get my head around people giving votes that much attention. Maybe Lemmy has started getting refugees from other places that live and die by the arrows.

    Someone go in there and do the same thing and see what happens. I would but you've probably picked up on my apathy by this point.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (19 children)

    Because votes = views.

    If you make something and it instantly gets to -2 within seconds because of bot/trolls it means no one will ever see it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    Well luckily it was just AI slop and they didn't actually make anything.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's very capitalist of you

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    That's embarrassing. I'm surprised you would admit that even in pseudonymity.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Disagree. Creativity is in the idea, the composition, and the execution.
    A prompter hardly even has the idea in the first place.

    On top of that: "drawing" is labor.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    The composition is part of the idea, or are you approaching creations with zero conceptualisation of how you want it to look?

    Complaining about the execution is no different to painters bemoaning photographers back in the day.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The mods that banned me for 'systemic down voting' and 'anti-ai harassment' because I down voted a few AI posts and didn't feel bad also lectured me about how horrible down voting is and how much it hurts the fediverse.

    My upvote to down vote ratio is far better than either of those two mods.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I've seen quite a few people banned for downvotes in comms. It always makes me wonder what they think lurkers do.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They assume anyone who down votes without commenting is brigading.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    that happens on reddit to, but with reporting. if you report when someone dint respond or you dint respond to them, the mods get mad enough to ban you, or if they feel like even if the report was report-worthy, the mods might not think so.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Oh i know that. I'm saying it's crazy because it just bans more lurkers than anyone. We're probably on the same page.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    I just said to another here in this thread: Downvotes hurt visibility. Downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old lemm.ee comm and when I banned them (about 4 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and no contribution. And if they got in early, they could sink new threads. Now, I wouldn't just downvote randoms for occasional downvotes - but if I kept seeing the same names on threads (and they never actually engaged with the community) with no discernable patterns - I might.

    Made a huge difference.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Not related to the OP here, but downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old lemm.ee comm and when I banned them (about 4 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and no contribution. And if they got in early, they could sink new threads. Now, I wouldn't just ban randoms for occasional downvotes - but if I kept seeing the same names on threads (and they never actually engaged with the community) with no discernable patterns - I might.

    Made a huge difference.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fair enough. I tend to block before down voting and that's rare. Haven't thought of how much votes actually matter, but obviously it does on the smaller scale.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    No, they don't, at least not the site wide admins.

    This community is part of dbzer0, so if you were banned from the instance you wouldn't be able to post here either.

    It looks like you pissed off on moderator of a bunch of comms and they banned you from all of theirs. Based off another commentor's link, this seems to have happened when those comms were being hit by waves of drive by downvoting so you may have been caught in the cross fire.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They shouldn't be. I've messaged the two mods and asked them to respond, because I don't know the details.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    We found the answer (kinda)! It was @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com See here: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/34853477

    I was called out by name for a single downvote and culled from a score of Communities I did not participate in by them.

    "Create more slop" is, in fact, a message I disagree with rather strongly and did downvote that (and only that) post. I PM'd the the mod in response to that post:

    Brigading is organized. I, a single person, downvoted one post I saw in /All because it is actively content with a message I do not care for or agree with. Bad form would be going through everything in the community and downvoting. I didn’t do that either. What I had done is called “using the platform as intended.” And you overreacted with a ban.

    So we've effectively solved the first part, but not the three Stable Diffusion parts... Those also seem to line up with another single downvote a month later. Again, hardly brigading or vote manipulation.

    EDIT: Huh. Looks like we had someone in this thread downvoting nearly every post in here.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Yes, a few of the mods will ban anyone who downvotes AI or misinformation without making a comment or because you downvoted 'too many times' or some other bullshit. My 'systemic downvoting' and 'anti-ai harassment' community bans are for downvoting a few posts and not being sorry about it.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    i discovered i have several community bans for being an anti-ai troll. i find that so odd because like… i'm not trolling, i genuinely have concerns about a litany of issues surrounding ai such as the environmental cost, the double standard of corporate theft being okay and piracy being a serious crime, the ways the ai corporation ceos want to use ai vs how any technology should benefit the populace. i have a viewpoint, not an agenda. i also think and post about a wide variety of other topics. that said, if an ai community wants to block me, that's fine, i was probably going to block them too. not because i think they're wrong to have their community, but because i have zero interest in engaging there. it's like how i block all communities in languages i don't speak. it's not an act of me censoring or hating them. it's just me cleaning up my feed because it doesn't make sense to be there

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I work in IT and think AI is the second biggest threat to the planet in the next 10 years.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    It's dbzer0, and that's the instance this comm is hosted on. So no, none of the Admins of the instance "went schizo".

    Looks like a mod of multiple comms maybe.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    It's annoying that the amount the general public cares about schizophrenic people is often less than they care about changing the words they speak.

    sidenotes - CW: R-slur, used non-casuallyThis is common with a lot of disability-related terms, I expect this usage to decrease over time similar to how usage of 'retard' has.

    I am unsure whether ['schizophrenic people' or 'people with schizophrenia'] is correct here, I am going based off of what I have heard about ['autistic people' vs 'people with autism'] as I could not find relevant information online.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The "person-first" formation is debated. Some people like it, some don't. I think most people don't care. I would assume, like most similar things, it was started by someone with only a tangential connection to the subject.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    original comment, see edit firstare you kidding me

    EDIT: I was confused by her saying 'post': I think she's referring to my usage in the sidenote, which was intended as an example of [slurs towards disabled people that are no longer used], whereas I thought she was saying that I used them casually.

    I don't think discussing slurs is harmful to society in the same way that using them directly (as an epithet) is.

    Despite this, I understand some people have strongly-negative reactions to seeing them, so I have added a content warning to the section.

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  • well most people with schizophrenia dont really consider themselves schizophrenic. it takes a lot of work to even get to that point of recognition. so you're really looking for ways to destigmatize the experience of psychosis in general to encourage people to be open to acknowledging it and not worrying about all the social repercussions of being "crazy" and just be willing to find another explanation for the bizarre experiences theyve been having . unfortunately the very definition of delusion is that it persists in the face of evidence to the contrary! and to think that one's beliefs have no ground in reality. it's a lot to swallow!

    honestly the best way to phrase it would probably be something like "had a break from reality" or similar

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