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[–] 79 points 6 months ago (7 children)

The thing that this person seems to have either forgotten, or not understood in the first place, is that homework, and your education in general, is not for the teacher, it's for you. If you choose to cheat your way through you will gain less than if you actually put the work in yourself. This gets more important the further through education you go.

Probably the best outcome for an essay question is if you discuss it with your friends, all share your understanding of the subject, then write it up individually, incorporating anything new you learned from your discussions.

This does come with the issue that those who cheat could end up getting good grades if there is no 'live' check of their understanding, either through closed book exams, class tests, group discussions, or similar.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago

    Indeed, it's not that LLM is totally uncorrelated to factual basis, it is correlated well enough for most educational fodder that is supremely well trodden and doesn't seek surprises. It's practice with backgrounds the teachers can actually already know and credibly provide feedback on. It's so well known that any teacher knows, so it's correlated with AI output that has been trained on verbatim prompts and essays that are on the exact same topic, and so the narrative correlated with the prompt is just very likely to also correlate to the facts of relevance.

    Just like a pocket calculator can make short work of elementary school math. It's not that we expect those kids to do some crazy novel stuff that calculators can't do, it's just that they need to operate in a context to actually illustrate they have the foundational understanding.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    When I am struggling with Language Arts and excelling at Math, the extra time spent on unmastered Language homework benefits me. The extra time spent on Math serves only to waste my time and distract me from the Language work that needs my central focus.

    The intention of homework is to benefit the student. The reality is that most students would be best served by skipping the homework and getting some exercise instead.

    In the gradebook, the unit test score should be the floor for all homework scores in that unit. Score a 95% on the test, and even if you turn in zero homework, a 95% should be recorded for each assignment. S

    Turn in 95% on each and every homework assignment, but score a 65% on the test? You keep your 95% scores showing you put in the work, even though you clearly haven't mastered the material.

    Turn in no homework, and score a 65% on the test? Every homework assignment is now a 65%.

    With this system, doing the homework can only help you. Skipping the homework is risky, but allowable.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Depends, with homework, the goal is to learn, but with tests, it's already less clear, a good teacher needs to know the level of it's class in order to curate it's teaching to their understanding. Moreover, some formation recruit based on grades and in this context, the point op is making is very relevant

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    As I see it, teachers should make sure that students know the purposed of homework and how it is supposed to help them learn, and then homework should just be optional to complete, though for the psychological effect homework completion should checked and lauded and people should get feedback on it.

    Mind you, this only really makes sense for students old enough to actually understand an explanation of the purpose of homework and how it helps learning.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    You were so close. Right up until you mentioned closed book exams. How many times in your job have you ever not been allowed to look something up? The reality is that closed book exams only test your memorization capabilities and some of us don’t memorize shit very well. The best teachers allow open book exams because if you know where the information is then you can find it in time but if you don’t know where the information is you’re not gonna be able to take the test in the time given.

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