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"cuz, y'know, China bad." (lemmy.ml)
submitted 6 months ago by to c/memes@lemmy.ml
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[–] 19 points 6 months ago (15 children)

If, over the next 10 years, your country became more and more like China, would you go along with the changes? Would you have any problems with the transformation?

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  • [–] [S] 28 points 6 months ago (13 children)
    • modern electricity grid quickly moving away from fossil fuels
    • high speed train network
    • cheap fresh produce
    • affordable housing
    • transitioning to socialism via the development of productive forces
    • strong investment in education and R&D
    • quickly advancing tech in almost every sector that matters
    • people-directed governance that is not subservient to capital (foreign or domestic)
    • very low crime
    • ecological restoration that won't get cancelled by the next elected administration
    • cheap and good quality healthcare
    • bold long term vision and consistent achievement of it over time

    objectively better than just about any other place

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    They’ve been around, as a civilization, for over 5,000 years. I’d like to think you don’t make it that long without doing a thing or 2 right.

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  • [+] -15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Eh. The US has been around just as long as a civilization. If the Chinese get to claim credit for the radically different ancient predecessors to modern China, then the US can claim decent from both the ancient Native American civilizations as well as the ancient Middle Eastern civilizations that are ultimately the predecessors of many countries such as the US.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    The US has been around just as long as a civilization. If the Chinese get to claim credit for the radically different ancient predecessors to modern China, then the US can claim decent from both the ancient Native American civilizations

    The US is a settler colonial project that carried out an extermination campaign and genocide of hundreds of native tribes, and stole their land. Settlers have no right to claim descent from the people (they're still) trying to exterminate. Unlike South America, there's not even a genetic heritage; the US colonialist just killed every indigenous person they found, or put them into reservations.

    Neither the PRC nor most ME countries are settler ones. The number of settler-colonial countries is tiny: the US, Canada, Israel, Australia, New Zealand, are the main ones.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    The education is also non-competitive and crippling for the not-so-gifted students, yes?

    Because I don't hear about many student suicides (specifically due to stress and pressure) outside of the Asian countries.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I specifically mentioned Asian and including China.
    So...Please give me now a comparison to western societies like EU countries (or US if it easier to find statistics)

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    C O P E

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  • [+] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    I really don't know what it's like in China because I've never been there. I know some people who are from China but they've never really talked about anything other than visiting their families. All I hear comes from the US propaganda machine, so I can't really have an informed opinion. This is probably how it should be for like 95% of Americans. We don't need to have an opinion about everything ffs.

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