[green, speaking, looking smug]
Okay, hear me out, here's the plan…
We go full apathy, basically we let capitalism fully spiral out into fascism. Once it's done, people will rise up and the system will collapse under its own weight. From its ashes, with our help, a better society will rise.β€―This is how we win.

[we now see that green is tied up in front of a bleak wall, along with a group of other people, being aimed at by a firing squad of characters in fascist uniforms]
[green, smiling] OK?
[blue, pissed] Dude…

https://thebad.website/comic/accelerationism

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[–] 20 points 6 months ago (23 children)

Potentially at the expense of all non-microbial life.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think that's on the cards. Non-microbial life has survived 70% of the planet's forests going up in flames as a consequence of a massive asteroid impact, and the ensuing years or possibly decade+ of planet-wide ash and dust clouds blocking out the sun. And that was just the latest mass extinction event.

    You're giving humanity far too much credit by assuming we'd be capable of anything comparable right now.

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    The problem is capitalism. Don't make it about humans as a species when there are countless counter examples we can learn from

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    The problem is capitalism.

    The Soviets were shit on environmentalism for a long time. We didn't see a serious environmental movement in China until the early 2000s. We've never really seen one in the USSR, prior to its collapse.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    The alternative to Capitalism is not necessarily whatever the fuck the Soviets’ idea of Communism was.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    "Capitalism caused all these ecological problems"

    "Okay what about the same problems occurring outside of a capitalist framework"

    "Those don't count"

    Shrug

    You've got to move beyond the ideological and address the material. Ecological harm isn't predicated on privatized profit.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    "I'm sick, my covid test is positive. I'm staying at home."

    "Actually, noro virus has similar symptoms. The problem isn't covid."

    Shrug

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    my covid test is positive

    "COVID is the problem"

    "I've got norovirus"

    "That doesn't matter"

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    "I've got norovirus"

    More like "I had norovirus a month ago but now I've got covid." The Soviet Union doesn't matter because it doesn't exist anymore and China is a capitalist country for a while now. The problem is capitalism because it's the world system now. There are countless counter examples so the problem isn't humanity. Bolshevism isn't a counter examples (because it wasn't any better) but neither is it the problem because it doesn't exist anymore. Neither is the Roman Empire.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (3 children)

    humans are just another parasitic and unchecked species that is probably going to learn about their own environmental limits the hard way.

    Humans are the exception precisely because they can see the axe falling and move out of the way.

    Outside of the fossil fuel dominated US/Saudi sphere, we've seen an enormous collaborated effort to curb greenhouse gases. Not everyone is ignoring the risks and consequences.

    What we have the capitalist West is a conscious choice between short term profit and long term survival.

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    most scientists agree it is too late

    I mean, "too late" for what is always the question. Folks keep insisting The Apocalypse is next month. And then it doesn't come, and we get a wave of "I guess nothing actually ever happens" during a new record heat wave.

    if it takes the entire world falling apart to make the realities undeniably apparent, then so be it

    The world is a big place. It's not clear what "falling apart" is even supposed to look like.

    I'm seeing people predicting a 4% drop in population because of a particularly harsh El Nino this year. I've been hearing about a looming economic crash that's at least ten years overdue.

    At the scope of a human life, all of this is still very gradual change. You're going to be living in the middle of it and not realize how much has changed because you never knew subzero weather in St. Louis or glaciers in Montana were normal.

    The talk is of some kind of sharp sudden drop, and not the further churn of a 30,000 year old global extinction event.

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