▲ 759 ▼ WOKE LIBERAL GEORGE WASHINGTON IS UNAMERICAN, PASS IT ON Early Modern Period (~1600 AD) (media.piefed.social) submitted 6 months ago by PugJesus@piefed.social to c/historymemes@piefed.social 57 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (14 children) Small pox is quite different from the flu lol permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (12 children) So is the treatment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inoculation For smallpox, they’d infect a break in your skin, deliberately. With actual smallpox. It was less likely to kill you, but absolutely possible and quite miserable. But principle is the same. Outbreaks dramatically weaken war fighting capabilities, even if it’s “just” influenza. The history of warfare is littered with thousands of examples. For instance: https://www.nationalww2museum.org/about-us/notes-museum/wwi-wwii-1918-influenza-pandemic-and-innovation https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/history-disease-outbreaks-vaccine-timeline/flu …Which is why this is so egregious. Vaccination (compared to smallpox inoculation) is trivially easy in comparison to the decision Washington faced, and influenza has a long, grim history in the US military. No sane general would throw away such an easy, and historic, warfighting advantage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (11 children) Young, well fed, healthy troops do not suffer from the flu permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@piefed.social [S] 16 points 6 months ago Young, well fed, healthy troops do not suffer from the flu ... are you being fucking serious right now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 10 points 6 months ago Yes, it's a little known fact that viruses have an age range check. If you don't pass, they legally can't enter your body. permalink fedilink source parent [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* ...Yet young, well fed, healthy troops will suffer from the flu vaccine? permalink fedilink source parent [–] yuri@pawb.social 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) it’d be really funny if you got hospitalized with regular ass influenza rn permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago I'd probably not be young or well fed or healthy.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago .... Do you know what influenza even is? Are you mistaking it for the common cold? I've noticed a lot of people who disparage the flu and the flu vaccine think that it's just another word for the common cold everyone gets every year. While unlikely to die, it can easily render them incapable of fighting or training for a week or so, and less effective for a around twice that long. Saying "healthy people don't get sick" is either profoundly ignorant, or a self fulfilling tautology, since once you're sick your quite obviously not healthy. In any case, there's no dimension where the flu vaccine isn't several order of magnitude less disruptive than the disease. permalink fedilink source parent [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 months ago lol no. All kinds of people get sick with the flu. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago Wow, congratulations, you managed to put both your socks on all by yourself this morning! You’re very smart. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 6 points 6 months ago (2 children) Young, well fed men and women suffer from the flu every day lol. What are you smoking? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Smokers probably suffer from the flu permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 2 points 6 months ago* Just like everyone else my guy. Just to remind you, the Influenza pandemic killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of well fed, young, healthy soldiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu permalink fedilink source parent [–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago Yeah and maybe if more people got flu vaccines we could get rid of it like we did smallpox. Vaccines work regardless of the illness. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (12 children) So is the treatment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inoculation For smallpox, they’d infect a break in your skin, deliberately. With actual smallpox. It was less likely to kill you, but absolutely possible and quite miserable. But principle is the same. Outbreaks dramatically weaken war fighting capabilities, even if it’s “just” influenza. The history of warfare is littered with thousands of examples. For instance: https://www.nationalww2museum.org/about-us/notes-museum/wwi-wwii-1918-influenza-pandemic-and-innovation https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/history-disease-outbreaks-vaccine-timeline/flu …Which is why this is so egregious. Vaccination (compared to smallpox inoculation) is trivially easy in comparison to the decision Washington faced, and influenza has a long, grim history in the US military. No sane general would throw away such an easy, and historic, warfighting advantage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (11 children) Young, well fed, healthy troops do not suffer from the flu permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@piefed.social [S] 16 points 6 months ago Young, well fed, healthy troops do not suffer from the flu ... are you being fucking serious right now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 10 points 6 months ago Yes, it's a little known fact that viruses have an age range check. If you don't pass, they legally can't enter your body. permalink fedilink source parent [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* ...Yet young, well fed, healthy troops will suffer from the flu vaccine? permalink fedilink source parent [–] yuri@pawb.social 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) it’d be really funny if you got hospitalized with regular ass influenza rn permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago I'd probably not be young or well fed or healthy.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago .... Do you know what influenza even is? Are you mistaking it for the common cold? I've noticed a lot of people who disparage the flu and the flu vaccine think that it's just another word for the common cold everyone gets every year. While unlikely to die, it can easily render them incapable of fighting or training for a week or so, and less effective for a around twice that long. Saying "healthy people don't get sick" is either profoundly ignorant, or a self fulfilling tautology, since once you're sick your quite obviously not healthy. In any case, there's no dimension where the flu vaccine isn't several order of magnitude less disruptive than the disease. permalink fedilink source parent [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 months ago lol no. All kinds of people get sick with the flu. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago Wow, congratulations, you managed to put both your socks on all by yourself this morning! You’re very smart. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 6 points 6 months ago (2 children) Young, well fed men and women suffer from the flu every day lol. What are you smoking? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Smokers probably suffer from the flu permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 2 points 6 months ago* Just like everyone else my guy. Just to remind you, the Influenza pandemic killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of well fed, young, healthy soldiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (11 children) Young, well fed, healthy troops do not suffer from the flu permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@piefed.social [S] 16 points 6 months ago Young, well fed, healthy troops do not suffer from the flu ... are you being fucking serious right now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 10 points 6 months ago Yes, it's a little known fact that viruses have an age range check. If you don't pass, they legally can't enter your body. permalink fedilink source parent [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* ...Yet young, well fed, healthy troops will suffer from the flu vaccine? permalink fedilink source parent [–] yuri@pawb.social 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) it’d be really funny if you got hospitalized with regular ass influenza rn permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago I'd probably not be young or well fed or healthy.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago .... Do you know what influenza even is? Are you mistaking it for the common cold? I've noticed a lot of people who disparage the flu and the flu vaccine think that it's just another word for the common cold everyone gets every year. While unlikely to die, it can easily render them incapable of fighting or training for a week or so, and less effective for a around twice that long. Saying "healthy people don't get sick" is either profoundly ignorant, or a self fulfilling tautology, since once you're sick your quite obviously not healthy. In any case, there's no dimension where the flu vaccine isn't several order of magnitude less disruptive than the disease. permalink fedilink source parent [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 months ago lol no. All kinds of people get sick with the flu. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago Wow, congratulations, you managed to put both your socks on all by yourself this morning! You’re very smart. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 6 points 6 months ago (2 children) Young, well fed men and women suffer from the flu every day lol. What are you smoking? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Smokers probably suffer from the flu permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 2 points 6 months ago* Just like everyone else my guy. Just to remind you, the Influenza pandemic killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of well fed, young, healthy soldiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@piefed.social [S] 16 points 6 months ago Young, well fed, healthy troops do not suffer from the flu ... are you being fucking serious right now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 10 points 6 months ago Yes, it's a little known fact that viruses have an age range check. If you don't pass, they legally can't enter your body. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* ...Yet young, well fed, healthy troops will suffer from the flu vaccine? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yuri@pawb.social 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) it’d be really funny if you got hospitalized with regular ass influenza rn permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago I'd probably not be young or well fed or healthy.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago I'd probably not be young or well fed or healthy.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago .... Do you know what influenza even is? Are you mistaking it for the common cold? I've noticed a lot of people who disparage the flu and the flu vaccine think that it's just another word for the common cold everyone gets every year. While unlikely to die, it can easily render them incapable of fighting or training for a week or so, and less effective for a around twice that long. Saying "healthy people don't get sick" is either profoundly ignorant, or a self fulfilling tautology, since once you're sick your quite obviously not healthy. In any case, there's no dimension where the flu vaccine isn't several order of magnitude less disruptive than the disease. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 months ago lol no. All kinds of people get sick with the flu. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago Wow, congratulations, you managed to put both your socks on all by yourself this morning! You’re very smart. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 6 points 6 months ago (2 children) Young, well fed men and women suffer from the flu every day lol. What are you smoking? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Smokers probably suffer from the flu permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 2 points 6 months ago* Just like everyone else my guy. Just to remind you, the Influenza pandemic killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of well fed, young, healthy soldiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Smokers probably suffer from the flu permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 2 points 6 months ago* Just like everyone else my guy. Just to remind you, the Influenza pandemic killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of well fed, young, healthy soldiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 2 points 6 months ago* Just like everyone else my guy. Just to remind you, the Influenza pandemic killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of well fed, young, healthy soldiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago Yeah and maybe if more people got flu vaccines we could get rid of it like we did smallpox. Vaccines work regardless of the illness. permalink fedilink source parent