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  • [–] 30 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Every country should be blocking the US surveillance giants, its extremely naive for countries to be letting facebook, twitter, reddit, and google operate unhindered.

    There' no such thing as a "non-authoritarian" state or other myths like the tooth-fairy, but even if they existed, then it'd be hard to argue that letting the US surveillance state operate freely within your borders is somehow "non-authoritarian". The US is more likely than any other country to use the intelligence they've gained learned to harm you physically. See the Phoenix Program.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago* (11 children)

    Literally every government with the capability to control information is doing that, and frankly the rise of bleach-injecting covid denialist flat earth tradwife inflluencers has proven China right to do so.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

    So like, objectively not China? Because their ruling party consists of 90 million members and they're constantly debating shit, and enjoy an incredibly high satisfaction rate among non-party members?

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    That's cool that you can have that opinion from your position of being one doordash order away from having food to eat, but if you were an elected representative of a society that had to build itself up under seige after a century of colonial pillaging and a world war that devastated your economic and food infrastructure and killed millions of people, you might actually have to engage with the brutal reality of famine and underdevelopment, with the unavoidable questions of survival. If the Palestinian Resistance manages to secure it's territory to administer, they will have to engage with these questions too. If and when that happens, will you simply write them off as "authoritarian", and dismiss those who support their struggle as "simping for authoritarians"?

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (24 children)

    So what's a non-authoritarian state?

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago* (21 children)

    I meant like can you give an example of one

    Also:

    It also serves as a mechanism to efficiently direct resources to human advancement as basic needs are automated.

    So like China

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Nope, they got involved in a now 12 year long conflict in Ukraine

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Finland? Where despite years of protest by the people, the state continues to buy Israeli weapons and cooperate with the zionist entity in the development of military tech and spyware? The state currently ignoring the very clear wishes of it's people in order to aid and abet a historically unpopular genocide?

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The country that was a Nazi ally and didn't drop the swastika from their air force insignia until 2025? Finland the country currently implementing mass austerity while giving tax cuts to the rich? That Finland?

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The Finnish Air Force swastika is such an interesting case to me, because the moment you do a google for "Finnish air force swastika", you are blasted with rationalizations: "predates nazism", "good luck charm", "innocent", "unrelated to Hitler". You get blasted with rationalizations before you can even see the history: which is that the innocent wholesome chungus dude who brought the swastika was Hermann Göring's brother in law lol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_von_Rosen

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    which is that the innocent wholesome chungus dude who brought the swastika was Hermann Göring’s brother in law lol.

    And the fact that he was himself a leading member of the Swedish National Socialist Bloc (Nazi party)

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Finland lost ww2 as a member of the axis. The finnish army aided in the siege and starvation of Leningrad, which was one of the worst atrocities of ww2.

    After they lost the war, they ceded part of their territory to become an SSR, and were never strong enough again to challenge the eastern bloc.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Are you excusing them for fighting enthusiatically alongside the Nazis in WW2?

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    A)Whataboutism:)

    B) Absolutely reddit brained and incorrect. The nazis invaded, the government collapsed, then the Soviets moved in from the east to evacuate civillians and secure defensive positions. This action saved 7 million people, as opposed to the Finnish participation in the Nazi seige of Leningrad which killed a million people. And that's not even getting into Finland's concentration camps.

    Now what kind of person would equivocate the two, I wonder?🤔

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Finland was one of the front lines of the Russian revolution, and the whites used finland as a base of monarchist assaults and intrigues against the world's first socialist state.

    The finnish communists then unfortunately lost their civil war, the finns then killed all their communists and made the communist party illegal, and became one of the fascist / reactionary powers in the 30s like nazi germany.

    Territorial disputes between the whites and reds escalated during the 30s leading to the winter wars, which finland lost, then ww2, which finland also lost.

    You are again siding with the reactionary side of history.

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    You just described the PRC, and notably not capitalist dictatorships, whose governments don't represent their people / working class, but the interests of capitalists only.

    You desperately need to get past this poli-sci-intro-level understanding of what states are. States are organizations of force for one class (meaning in Marxism their relationship to production) to oppress another. The USA and other liberal countries are capitalist dictatorships over workers, while the PRC is a worker's dictatorship over capital.

    Here are some resources:

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    No just one out of every 14 people, which you may notice is many thousands of times more democratic than any of the western so-called democracies by percentage.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    They seem to be doing a pretty good job

    we agree that authoritarianism is bad

    No. We disagree that "authoritarianism" is a meaningful distinction when every government exists by authority. Might as well call it "badguyism"

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    Oh, two corporate entities tightly bound up with American imperialism and who therefore have every incentive to lie in the opposite direction?

    Like yeah dude, it's a Harvard study, of course they're tangled up in US bourgeoisie shit. If it was a Chinese survey you'd be dismissing it for not being a Harvard study

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    They have no interest in portraying China positively, when a person or source you mistrust publishes something against their best interest it makes it a lot more likely that it's true (like the CIA saying the USSR was democratic despite being enemies)

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Lol America, land of the free, they literally arrested anyone who said they were a communist and confiscated your gold because they said it was illegal.

    Yet China is frowned upon.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago* (17 children)

    I was born and raised here. The VPN is for the firewall which has many reasons to exist and I support, also they're not illegal. Criticising the government is super common but mostly over mundane stuff because that's what people care about (there's a reason the approval even according to Harvard is 95+%). You people are always so arrogant while being so uninformed it's amazing.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (14 children)

    It simply isn't. Remember snowden? The NSA? TAO? Pegasus? Our government is simply more open and honest with us (might be a side effect of having real democracy as opposed to a charade put on by bought candidates every 4 years). Also before you say that's just America, Europe are American vassal states all of these and more (since this is just what has leaked) are deployed against Europeans too and intel is shared in deals like five eyes.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago* (13 children)

    The method of voting isn't what makes it real democracy it's the class content of the state and the fact that voting is a ritual for representatives that will only ever serve capital as opposed to voting being a single part of a daily system of feedback and interaction with deputies embedded in the grassroots situation who need accomplishments (to solve our problems) to go for higher offices. There's a reason the number of billionaires in China is shrinking while public services and social safety nets are constantly seeing investment while in Europe and America austerity for the masses and tax cuts for the rich is law.

    End to end encrypted

    Nice vibes based analysis sort of redundant when they have backdoors on every piece of technology deployed there or the fact that most end to end encrypted messages are some mix of lying and insecure like WhatsApp.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I didn't ask you to prove anything about e2e. I asked you to prove that "something bad happens to you when you use pgp in WeChat"

    Read about the rare vance incident, what happened there was pretty much what you were so insistent on would happen in china. That's why I assumed you were projecting.

    Maybe you were not projecting, that's ok. Maybe you read it in a fiction book. Or it came to you in a dream. Who knows, you certainly won't tell me.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I use signal and I’m free to. I’m confident it’s secure. Confident enough that my wife can send me a titty pic without someone looking at it.

    I hate to break it to you but if the government want to see that titty pic if it's on either of your phones or any other device they can and likely have.

    You call out a straw man about it being back doored when you’ve no idea that’s the case but we’re certain it is in China.

    Again remember snowden? If you live in the western hemisphere the US and Israeli intelligence apparatus owns all of your tech that's the unfortunate truth you need to reckon with.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    You fundamentally disagree because you're a chauvinist and an idiot

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    It's clearly true you are just stating things that are untrue but you feel must be because you are a chauvinist. And you are an idiot as you look past the very clearly documented history of the EuroAmerikan surveillance apparatus and pretend it's not real and if it is real it's bound by your laws etc etc. Hence you are a chauvinist and an idiot.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (12 children)

    You are literally talking to a Chinese person from China, smug liberal dipshittery knows no bounds

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Ive been to your country. Many times. The ignorance call out holds no weight for me. I’ve lived the online surveillance and lack of access to sites or services I wanted. Hell even SSH connections are speed limited and frequently get a TCP reset to mess with them. Why? Because they can tunnel HTTP traffic.

    The firewall again isn't a surveillance tool it's a blacklist that protects us from the very clear worse option which is a US controlled digital infrastructure. Also you vacationing here really doesn't do much to assuage ignorance. Plenty of EuroAmerikans vacation across developing countries and are still massively ignorant on how they actually functions. I'd go a step further and say most EuroAmerikans don't even know how their own country really functions as "lived experience" is only a small part of the puzzle.

    It’s not just surveillance, it’s control. you continuously avoid talking about how end to end encryption is not an option

    I'm assuming the choice of the word continuously is an artefact from an LLM considering end to end encryption was only brought up once. Also I very clearly didn't avoid talking about it I simply pointed out that the most common ones such as WhatsApp are mostly a mix of insecure software and lies, also are largely irrelevant considering the NSA backdoors on every piece of deployed tech in the western hemisphere

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    I don't work for the government. I do however have friends who are party members (shouldn't be surprising considering slightly over 1/14 people are) and I did work alongside the CPPCC for a period and many of my classmates from my master's in Marxist theory were doing it to work towards civil servant positions. Even besides all that I interact with my local party office fairly regularly to provide feedback as do many others.

    You can check the modlog or DM the mods and ask I'm not a mod I also didn't report them so your guess is as good as mine.

    I very clearly didn't dismiss any of his points I just pointed out that continuously didn't make sense considering we only brought encryption up once prior to this comment and I had responded to it at that time I didn't dodge I also then responded to the point at hand again anyway so idk why you're lashing out. I didn't dismiss him.

    This is just typical chauvinist dehumanising bullshit. "Anyone who doesn't accept the western line on China is a bot or a paid shill" you should probably do some introspection on why you react so violently to a Chinese person providing a more accurate view of their country.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    To us. There's a reason that even from Harvard's research the government has a 95+% approval.

    Direct elections reach the township and county levels where voters choose deputies to local people's congresses. These grassroots deputies constitute the overwhelming majority of all deputies nationwide. Advancement to higher levels requires proven service at lower rungs, ensuring every national deputy has worked up from local material conditions and remains accountable to the masses below.

    Grassroots legislative liaison stations and community consultation channels ensure mass input shapes policy at every stage, making democracy a daily practice not a periodic (meaningless) ritual. Whole-process people's democracy embeds consultation and pilot programs into governance: policies are tested locally, refined through mass feedback, then scaled nationally. This grounds decisions in what we want and need.

    All 55 ethnic minorities hold guaranteed representation in the NPC. Farmers and labourers comprise roughly 15% of deputies while professionals and technical personnel make up the remainder.

    Even besides all that if you just look at what the Chinese government does as opposed to those owned by capital. Mass poverty alleviation, anticorruption at all levels, massive investment in socially profitable but monetarily unprofitable public services, deflating the housing bubble. These are not the actions of a government only looking out for a select few.

    And also the CPC has over 100million members since 2024 that 1 in 14 people are party members not to mind those who aren't but are active in consulting due to their position such as most engineers and scientists.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Just because the anglosphere is a socioeconomic nightmare realm of genocide, immiseration and omnipresent propaganda where everyone is at each other's throats doesn't mean everywhere else is too.

    What you're saying is you want to be suspicious of data that paints other places in a better light than us, because it makes you feel bad. You then rationalize this desire as "wisdom" while continuing to apply it selectively against societies your government has told you to hate.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    The burden of proof is on you. I can only provide context for the claims that have been raised. If you look at the sources they're all western

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