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[+] [S] -8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

you never really gave an example of real mistreatment beyond universal conscription in a time of war.

That's plenty for me. Also preventing asylum, which was never denied. There are also loads of reports of other mistreatment, but it is difficult to find a neutral source for those. That's why I went to the law document, which is their own government's statements about what is illegal and how it will be punished, which in addition to confirming the previously mentioned issues, appears to explicitly limit dissent.

Edit: I do appreciate the sources and information you and others have provided. I do not intend to imply that you did not answer my questions.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Universal conscription, and the prevention of treason, are both decisions not imposed on the people from above

    Do you have any real reason to believe that other than the equivalent of a pinky-swear from the government?

    support decolonization of Korea and an end to sanctions

    I generally support that for all countries

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    The only real resource on democracy you provided is the Roland Boer book, which looks interesting, and which I got a copy of and intend to read. However, a committee-based democracy with a ban on antagonistic propaganda does not sound promising.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    However, a committee-based democracy with a ban on antagonistic propaganda does not sound promising.

    Comrade Bordiga limits himself to upholding a cautious position on all the questions raised by the Left. He doesn’t say: the International poses and resolves such and such a question in this way, but the Left will instead pose and resolve it this other way. He instead says: the way the International poses and resolves problems doesn’t convince me; I fear they might slip into opportunism; there are insufficient guarantees against this; etc. His position, then, is one of permanent suspicion and doubt. In this way the position of the “Left” is purely negative: they express reservations without specifying them in a concrete form, and above all without indicating in concrete form their own point of view and their solutions. They end up spreading doubt and distrust without offering anything constructive.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    The problem rests on your belief that you know better than the millions of people in the DPRK

    That's only true if you assume the government is actually a representation of the will of the people of the DPRK. How am I supposed to know whether that's true other than by evaluating the quality of their democratic system?

    Though you maintain a polite tone, your actual actions speak against that

    What actions have I taken that are upsetting?

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    That’s only true if you assume the government is actually a representation of the will of the people of the DPRK

    Everything you're baselessly insinuating only makes sense if you assume a priori that it isn't. This is just you inverting your uninformed position and assuming it must be ours too.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 6 months ago

    you assume a priori that it isn't

    I'm open to the idea that is is, but all the evidence I've seen this far indicates that it isn't, and no one has given evidence that it is

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    The classes in power in the DPRK are the working classes

    Whether this is true is really what I'm trying to determine, and currently skeptical of. I guess it may be difficult to prove or disprove. It sounds like you think the class identity of the administration is enough to say so, but I could be wrong. I don't see that as sufficient.

    regular strawmanning and misframing

    I may have misrepresented your or others' perspectives, but if so it was not intentional.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    The working classes control the state

    Do you mean (1) that the collective will of the working class directs the behavior of the state, or (2) that managers of the state are members of the working class?

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