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Video: ICE agents drive SUV through protesters at S.F. immigration court (missionlocal.org)
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[–] 41 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The point of the due process is to determine that they were in fact one of these people. Due process doesn't mean no conviction, it means no witch hunts

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They don't want to follow the rules of Habeus Corpus, then those rules don't apply to the fascists. The rest of us want those rules, and therefore they should apply. I'm just giving them exactly what they want applied only to them.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Mate without due process you don't know who's getting hanged for what. 'I saw _____(name whatever neighbor you don't like) collaborating with ice' becomes a death sentence . If you're so unconcerned with hanging innocents congrats, you're the fascist now

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    That is, in fact, exactly how some revolutions with good intentions turned into nightmares far worse than the evils they were revolutioning against.

    If you’re going to punish someone, you need to prove they did something wrong. 100% of the time. It doesn’t matter if you “already know” and it’s frustrating to have to go through this slow process where they get to fight back. It doesn’t matter if you’re “on the right side” or whatever. That whole thinking needs to go right the fuck out the window, even if it is satisfyingly simple in the moment.

    Edit: To bring some specifics to it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_White_Terror

    And so on. It also happened in China, the USSR, lots of places. The structures of law are fragile and slow, and just executing the person that someone accused of being a former ICE agent is easy. Until someone with a grudge accuses you, or your family...

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Ah yes, the real and very successful strategy of fighting fire with more fire. Let's just go more fascist in the other direction, that'll show em!

    My dude, I get that you're angry, but think about your ideas for a second before ejaculating them onto the Internet.

    Confirming that they are actually ICE and that they did terrible things IS WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR JUSTICE. Letting people randomly accuse others and having that accusation lead to a literal hanging is not justice. If that's not what you mean then SAY WHAT YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE. We are real human beings having a conversation, not competing for Internet points.

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