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Look at the way he writes for loops too smh (lemmy.world)
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[–] 7 points 6 months ago (8 children)

  1. I never mock those who are trying to learn.

  2. Why is he starting with c/c++? Yes they have uses but not as a starter just playing around.

  3. I struggled with this initially too cause I didn't understand why. Most people would say "give me the first object". In reality your requesting an offset * size of each item + list start.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago
    1. Why is he starting with c/c++? Yes they have uses but not as a starter just playing around.

    sometimes it's not interesting enough to keep someone's attention if it's just "playing around": some people need to feel like what they're working on while learning has a real purpose, and some purposes have to use C++ (e.g. Arduino)

    sure it might not be the most effective or efficient way to learn, but it can be more motivating.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    is c++ not a common language to be taught as the first? Its not that hard to learn the basics of

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Kinda but especially with extremely new, either python or Javascript is recommended. If they are absolutely new, scratch.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    i have seen arguments against learning python as a first language (when my countries government suggested replacing c++ with python in school)

    i may have just had a bad first experience with JavaScript; i wouldnt let a child new to coding anywhere near that language

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I would say python is good for basics like for what's a variable, how if/else work, how to iterate over a list, the thought process of breaking down a problem into sub problems. Now it's not a good language for going much beyond that. Do not try to make a real time video renderer in python.

    Once past that I would say go either front end or backend. If backend c++ is a good option. Now that you know what a variable is we can discuss the difference between a uint32 and a bool. Why we don't use an int variable set to 1 or 0 to determine the results of an if statement. This is also where you learn about memory and how computers actually work.

    If front end is the choice, maybe not Javascript but typescript would probably be a good option. I don't know much about front end(I hate doing visual design) so I can't go into much detail. Is there a better front-end language you recommend? Only other one I know at all is c# with blazor or winforms.

    The issue I see with jumping straight into c++ is it's so much to learn to do simple stuff. For example a lot of early programmers get confused with working with functions and what return values. I attended a boot camp through work for python(I knew programming hobby level but it gave me a pay raise). There were 12 students, 4 choose to do a selenium script to test a website as a final project, 1 did a script I think for tracking expenses and income but he did it all in main because he couldn't figure out arguments and return values from other functions. This was after 9 weeks, 5 days a week 8 hours a day, plus 4 days to develop the final project. Now throw in what a header file is and the difference between declaring a function and defining a function. It's a lot to start off with.

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