▲ 464 ▼ All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027 (www.theolivepress.es) submitted 6 months ago by rssbot@lemmy.bestiver.se [B] to c/hackernews@lemmy.bestiver.se 77 comments fedilink hide all child comments 👍 1 Comments
[+] zewm@lemmy.world -16 points 6 months ago (19 children) Playing devils advocate here. How do you have a phone with replaceable battery and water resistance / proofing permalink fedilink source hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Dojan@pawb.social 63 points 6 months ago (10 children) The way we always did, of course. I’ve an underwater camera from the 80s that has user replaceable batteries and film. The idea that they have to be designed the way they are for dust/waterproofing reasons is just propaganda by the device manufacturers. There’s more money in them not being serviceable because that means that they can upcharge you for fixes, or better, push you to buy a new device when your current device doesn’t work the way it should. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] zewm@lemmy.world -10 points 6 months ago (9 children) Yea but that underwater camera is encased in a huge plastic shell. Are you going to be carrying around your phone in a huge plastic shell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Dojan@pawb.social 21 points 6 months ago* It’s actually not as large and bulky as you might think. These ideas aren’t mutually exclusive is the thing. My old work phone was a Samsung XCover. They have replaceable batteries and are waterproof. They’re a little bulkier than my 16 Pro, but not by that much, and the bulk isn’t really for waterproofing reasons alone. Seal the phone and leave the battery compartment just weather proof. You’ll still be able to drop the phone in the toilet or whatever and the phone will be basically identical except with a slide off back. We’ve done it before, it’s not impossible. Again, the idea that having devices be user serviceable leads to them needing to be designed to not be dust or waterproof is just a lie sold to us by the manufacturers. They could make our devices user serviceable, but they choose not to. Every time they’ve been coaxed into even a little bit of consumer friendliness, they oblige in the most malicious ways they can. What I’m saying is, you don’t need to play the Devil’s Advocate. His position isn’t based on reality. permalink fedilink source parent [–] warm@kbin.earth 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) The majority of people don't need phones that can survive underwater. Most get exposed to a bit of rain occasionally and that's it. So even if it was impossible for both to exist (it isn't), we don't need it anyway. People are sold "IP68" or whatever because it allows manufacturers to make their phones harder to repair, that's the only reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zewm@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) What about toilet drops 👀 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] warm@kbin.earth 7 points 6 months ago What about drops from height? We don't all use super rugged phones incase of that? Just don't hold your phone over the toilet! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carrot@lemmy.today 4 points 6 months ago Take a look at the latest gopros. They work underwater, are tiny, and have replaceable batteries. All you need is a watertight seal, and they've gotten those down in size by quite a lot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child) When I screw the lid onto my coffee cup, it becomes waterproof. Nothing gets in and the coffee doesn't come out. Waterproofing doesn't require an adhesive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zewm@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Oh I like that. Screw in a circular battery like a large CR2020. Good concept. permalink fedilink source parent [–] certified_expert@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago There are plenty of phones that were designed, manufactured and sold with these two features. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* Not all of them use the "case around a camera" approach (although a lot do, admittedly). The Olympus Tough series of cameras don't, for example. And really, phones would have pretty simple seams around the battery. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago You mean like a Samsung Galaxy S5? Or any of the the ruggedized industrial phones available today? Its one of those save a dollar in manufacturing and forced obsolecence decisions made in a boardroom. They have gaslit people into thinking its because of waterproofing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] m4xie@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 months ago (4 children) Screws and an adhesive gasket. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFrogThatFlies@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (3 children) Aren't screws a myth? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pelya@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) Back cover held by two tiny plastic tabs and your prayers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago some thoughts also permalink fedilink source parent [–] bilb@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago Well, I've never seen one myself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cort@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 child) Galaxy S5 from 2014 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago Yes, I had this and it was great permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dojan@pawb.social 63 points 6 months ago (10 children) The way we always did, of course. I’ve an underwater camera from the 80s that has user replaceable batteries and film. The idea that they have to be designed the way they are for dust/waterproofing reasons is just propaganda by the device manufacturers. There’s more money in them not being serviceable because that means that they can upcharge you for fixes, or better, push you to buy a new device when your current device doesn’t work the way it should. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] zewm@lemmy.world -10 points 6 months ago (9 children) Yea but that underwater camera is encased in a huge plastic shell. Are you going to be carrying around your phone in a huge plastic shell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Dojan@pawb.social 21 points 6 months ago* It’s actually not as large and bulky as you might think. These ideas aren’t mutually exclusive is the thing. My old work phone was a Samsung XCover. They have replaceable batteries and are waterproof. They’re a little bulkier than my 16 Pro, but not by that much, and the bulk isn’t really for waterproofing reasons alone. Seal the phone and leave the battery compartment just weather proof. You’ll still be able to drop the phone in the toilet or whatever and the phone will be basically identical except with a slide off back. We’ve done it before, it’s not impossible. Again, the idea that having devices be user serviceable leads to them needing to be designed to not be dust or waterproof is just a lie sold to us by the manufacturers. They could make our devices user serviceable, but they choose not to. Every time they’ve been coaxed into even a little bit of consumer friendliness, they oblige in the most malicious ways they can. What I’m saying is, you don’t need to play the Devil’s Advocate. His position isn’t based on reality. permalink fedilink source parent [–] warm@kbin.earth 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) The majority of people don't need phones that can survive underwater. Most get exposed to a bit of rain occasionally and that's it. So even if it was impossible for both to exist (it isn't), we don't need it anyway. People are sold "IP68" or whatever because it allows manufacturers to make their phones harder to repair, that's the only reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zewm@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) What about toilet drops 👀 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] warm@kbin.earth 7 points 6 months ago What about drops from height? We don't all use super rugged phones incase of that? Just don't hold your phone over the toilet! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carrot@lemmy.today 4 points 6 months ago Take a look at the latest gopros. They work underwater, are tiny, and have replaceable batteries. All you need is a watertight seal, and they've gotten those down in size by quite a lot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child) When I screw the lid onto my coffee cup, it becomes waterproof. Nothing gets in and the coffee doesn't come out. Waterproofing doesn't require an adhesive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zewm@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Oh I like that. Screw in a circular battery like a large CR2020. Good concept. permalink fedilink source parent [–] certified_expert@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago There are plenty of phones that were designed, manufactured and sold with these two features. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* Not all of them use the "case around a camera" approach (although a lot do, admittedly). The Olympus Tough series of cameras don't, for example. And really, phones would have pretty simple seams around the battery. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] zewm@lemmy.world -10 points 6 months ago (9 children) Yea but that underwater camera is encased in a huge plastic shell. Are you going to be carrying around your phone in a huge plastic shell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Dojan@pawb.social 21 points 6 months ago* It’s actually not as large and bulky as you might think. These ideas aren’t mutually exclusive is the thing. My old work phone was a Samsung XCover. They have replaceable batteries and are waterproof. They’re a little bulkier than my 16 Pro, but not by that much, and the bulk isn’t really for waterproofing reasons alone. Seal the phone and leave the battery compartment just weather proof. You’ll still be able to drop the phone in the toilet or whatever and the phone will be basically identical except with a slide off back. We’ve done it before, it’s not impossible. Again, the idea that having devices be user serviceable leads to them needing to be designed to not be dust or waterproof is just a lie sold to us by the manufacturers. They could make our devices user serviceable, but they choose not to. Every time they’ve been coaxed into even a little bit of consumer friendliness, they oblige in the most malicious ways they can. What I’m saying is, you don’t need to play the Devil’s Advocate. His position isn’t based on reality. permalink fedilink source parent [–] warm@kbin.earth 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) The majority of people don't need phones that can survive underwater. Most get exposed to a bit of rain occasionally and that's it. So even if it was impossible for both to exist (it isn't), we don't need it anyway. People are sold "IP68" or whatever because it allows manufacturers to make their phones harder to repair, that's the only reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zewm@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) What about toilet drops 👀 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] warm@kbin.earth 7 points 6 months ago What about drops from height? We don't all use super rugged phones incase of that? Just don't hold your phone over the toilet! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carrot@lemmy.today 4 points 6 months ago Take a look at the latest gopros. They work underwater, are tiny, and have replaceable batteries. All you need is a watertight seal, and they've gotten those down in size by quite a lot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child) When I screw the lid onto my coffee cup, it becomes waterproof. Nothing gets in and the coffee doesn't come out. Waterproofing doesn't require an adhesive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zewm@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Oh I like that. Screw in a circular battery like a large CR2020. Good concept. permalink fedilink source parent [–] certified_expert@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago There are plenty of phones that were designed, manufactured and sold with these two features. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* Not all of them use the "case around a camera" approach (although a lot do, admittedly). The Olympus Tough series of cameras don't, for example. And really, phones would have pretty simple seams around the battery. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dojan@pawb.social 21 points 6 months ago* It’s actually not as large and bulky as you might think. These ideas aren’t mutually exclusive is the thing. My old work phone was a Samsung XCover. They have replaceable batteries and are waterproof. They’re a little bulkier than my 16 Pro, but not by that much, and the bulk isn’t really for waterproofing reasons alone. Seal the phone and leave the battery compartment just weather proof. You’ll still be able to drop the phone in the toilet or whatever and the phone will be basically identical except with a slide off back. We’ve done it before, it’s not impossible. Again, the idea that having devices be user serviceable leads to them needing to be designed to not be dust or waterproof is just a lie sold to us by the manufacturers. They could make our devices user serviceable, but they choose not to. Every time they’ve been coaxed into even a little bit of consumer friendliness, they oblige in the most malicious ways they can. What I’m saying is, you don’t need to play the Devil’s Advocate. His position isn’t based on reality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] warm@kbin.earth 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) The majority of people don't need phones that can survive underwater. Most get exposed to a bit of rain occasionally and that's it. So even if it was impossible for both to exist (it isn't), we don't need it anyway. People are sold "IP68" or whatever because it allows manufacturers to make their phones harder to repair, that's the only reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zewm@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) What about toilet drops 👀 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] warm@kbin.earth 7 points 6 months ago What about drops from height? We don't all use super rugged phones incase of that? Just don't hold your phone over the toilet! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zewm@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) What about toilet drops 👀 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] warm@kbin.earth 7 points 6 months ago What about drops from height? We don't all use super rugged phones incase of that? Just don't hold your phone over the toilet! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] warm@kbin.earth 7 points 6 months ago What about drops from height? We don't all use super rugged phones incase of that? Just don't hold your phone over the toilet! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 4 points 6 months ago Take a look at the latest gopros. They work underwater, are tiny, and have replaceable batteries. All you need is a watertight seal, and they've gotten those down in size by quite a lot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child) When I screw the lid onto my coffee cup, it becomes waterproof. Nothing gets in and the coffee doesn't come out. Waterproofing doesn't require an adhesive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zewm@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Oh I like that. Screw in a circular battery like a large CR2020. Good concept. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zewm@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Oh I like that. Screw in a circular battery like a large CR2020. Good concept. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] certified_expert@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago There are plenty of phones that were designed, manufactured and sold with these two features. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* Not all of them use the "case around a camera" approach (although a lot do, admittedly). The Olympus Tough series of cameras don't, for example. And really, phones would have pretty simple seams around the battery. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago You mean like a Samsung Galaxy S5? Or any of the the ruggedized industrial phones available today? Its one of those save a dollar in manufacturing and forced obsolecence decisions made in a boardroom. They have gaslit people into thinking its because of waterproofing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] m4xie@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 months ago (4 children) Screws and an adhesive gasket. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFrogThatFlies@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (3 children) Aren't screws a myth? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pelya@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) Back cover held by two tiny plastic tabs and your prayers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago some thoughts also permalink fedilink source parent [–] bilb@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago Well, I've never seen one myself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFrogThatFlies@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (3 children) Aren't screws a myth? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pelya@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) Back cover held by two tiny plastic tabs and your prayers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago some thoughts also permalink fedilink source parent [–] bilb@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago Well, I've never seen one myself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pelya@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) Back cover held by two tiny plastic tabs and your prayers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago some thoughts also permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago some thoughts also permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago Well, I've never seen one myself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cort@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 child) Galaxy S5 from 2014 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago Yes, I had this and it was great permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago Yes, I had this and it was great permalink fedilink source parent