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You know who I haven't heard of in a while? Edward Snowden. I hope he does well. (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 6 months ago by to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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[–] 12 points 6 months ago (9 children)

You said Snowden, "gave the NSA's tools of influence and power over the internet to Russia." This did not happen. There is no evidence he shared anything with the Russian government, he has long denied that he gave the Russian government any of the materials he took with him, and the only people who suggested otherwise are security agency hacks who tried to smear him in 2014. You're treating old, unsubstantiated accusations of Snowden passing materials to Russia as proof that he materially helped them influence the 2016 election. It's absolute nonsense.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Wtf is that dude's reading comprehension? Good on you for debunking him lol.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Well, it's not the first time I've seen this. A lot of the, "but her emails," crowd weren't paying attention to the Snowden leaks because it happened under Obama. They conflate Manning, Snowden, and Assange. They don't know the difference between Wikileaks and the Snowden disclosures. They just remember, "Snowden, hacker, leaks, Russia," and assume it has something to do wirh Wikileaks publishing the DNC emails that Russia hacked. It's especially pissing me off right now, given that Congress is trying to quietly pass an extension of FISA, and even though it gives Trump a massive domestic spying tool, there is a bipartisan effort to get it through.

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  • [+] -10 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    I'll take the intelligence community over the pinky promise of a traitor any day.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    You'll clearly believe anything, even if you don't understand it. Explain what you think Snowden did that materially help the Russians? How did a metadata collection program help hack John Podesta's emails? Or build Russian troll farms? Share one intelligence source that you think made a credible case that Snowden shared information with the Russians.

    The entirety of your belief that Snowden helped Russia influence the 2016 election is based on the members of the Senate Intelligence Committee saying, "maybe he shared Intelligence with the Russians, we don't know," in 2014. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    The entirety of your belief that Snowden helped Russia influence the 2016 election is based on the members of the Senate Intelligence Committee saying, “maybe he shared Intelligence with the Russians, we don’t know,” in 2014. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

    Seriously what is the point if you are just inserting shit. Why would my entire belief be based on something I have never seen? You're disingenuous there is no point actually engaging in a discussion with you. How fucking self righteous do need to be to confidently presume you know why someone knows something. Reel it in mate.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Then correct me. Back up any of the claim that Snowden, "gave the NSA's tools of influence and power over the internet to Russia,' with a single source that actually says that. Or even just explain in your own words what you think Snowden did to help the Russians.

    Ill be blunt; Trump's NSPM-7 instructs intelligence agencies to treat dissenting Americans as domestic terrorists and Congress is currently trying to extend the FISA authorization that let's intelligence communities gather their data. The very thing that Snowden was trying to warn us about is currently happening, right now, as we speak, under Trump. So I don't have a lot of patience for conspiracy theories about Snowden and Russian influence campaigns.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    You have established yourself as a bullshitting liar that is the extent of the conversation I'll be having with you. We can keep talking about how you are a bullshitting liar if you like I bet I can make you a better person.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    "Give any evidence that what you said about Snowden aiding Russia is true."

    "I will only discuss how you are a big lair that hurt my feelings."

    Anyway, I'm done here, but thanks for the Dunning-Kruger demonstration.

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