since yesterday.. oop: https://mathstodon.xyz/@johncarlosbaez/114816283089805862

article: https://arstechnica.com/security/2025/07/unless-users-take-action-android-will-let-gemini-access-third-party-apps/

haven't found a public google announcement, the screenshot seems to be from emails

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[–] 94 points 1 year ago (33 children)

ok what phone should I get next

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    Does it support banking apps yet? Last time I tried it anything to do with financials, Bitwarden, or 2FA just didn't work at all.

    Edit: and I've heard you can get Google play store on it now right? Cause I'll need all of my apps back

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I use multiple banking apps on my Graphene phone, the only thing it doesn't support is contactless payments.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh that's unfortunate, but I guess it wouldn't have Google wallet on it huh

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Every single banking app works fine, just have to give it full permissions.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Okay good, last time I tried it (around 2020) none of my banking apps worked because of a cert issue or something like that I believe. And I don't use small banks just PNC, Capital One, and and JP Morgan.

    I douse Google pay though. I know graphene doesn't come with the Google apps but can I install them anyways?

    Edit: and 2FA apps had issues too. Microsoft Authenticator and Cisco Duo just refused to run.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    All Google apps work, Especially if they're installed from the play store, which I try to avoid at all costs. Duo mobile works no problem, haven't tried ms or Google authenticator. ChatGPT app still doesn't work, but Claude does.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    So my Fairphone is not supported because the security updates aren't good enough. Serves me right trying to find an ethical approach to mobile computing.

    I understand GrapheneOS' philosophy but buying a google product to get away from google software is certainly... a choice. Refurbished or not buying a Pixel would serve Google's interests, nevermind the fact that I bought my current phone a couple years ago hoping to get close to a decade of use out of it.

    Realistically software freedom on mobile phones is doomed until the industry improves the firmware situation. Every project suffers from severe drawbacks because of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    If you want to keep your Fairphone and ditch android, Fairphone 4 and 5 both appear to be well supported by Ubuntu Touch. The downside is that Ubuntu Touch is currently still based on the 2020 LTS release of Ubuntu (which does still get updates, at least). Fairphone 4 is also somewhat supported by postmarketOS, but call support there is listed as "partial".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Is there an easy way to migrate everything into graphene or do I have to start fresh?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    You can't convert it if thats what you mean. I would hookup your phone to a computer and take any files off it for backup though. Maybe downloads and pictures/videos, stuff like that. The apps and logging into them will have to be redone as far as I know. You can still use the google store though through Aurora, and there is fdroid as well for Foss apps.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    A pixel. It comes without Gemini pre-installed. That or any phone on the planet without Gemini installed on Android. So the vast majority of them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What about Gemini Space (aka Ambient Data) that's tied to Android System Intelligence - which is a system app enabled by default that can be disabled (if you know how to disable system apps) but of course cannot be uninstalled.

    Also google is planning to replace Assistant with Gemini in the near future so all phones that have assistant (which is again enabled by default on most if not all android phones) will get Gemini sooner or later.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    None of that has to do with what is being presented and posted here. They are not just sucking up your data without telling you or anything you didn't ask for when you manually installed Gemini.

    Not wanting bullshit in my feed is a far cry from my views on privacy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Check again. If you've got a pixel, you might have to go into your apps and use the search function to find it. It installs and hides itself as of some recent update.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ok, then what are these screens on my pixel 6 pro?

    I do not have the Gemini app itself installed, but there's some functionality of it right there.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It depends on whether you're using apps that require Play Integrity attestation, like some banking apps do.

    If that's the case, consider the humble iPhone!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Apple likes to pretend they aren't evil since they're just evil in a different way than google.

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