▲ 188 ▼ Is AI the greatest art heist in history? (www.theguardian.com) submitted 7 months ago by Valuy@lemmy.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 39 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 7 months ago (8 children) digital art became worthless in the early 00s permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 5 points 7 months ago (7 children) I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. It's still sold, so it definitely has a market value. If you are talking about sociatal value, then I disagree even more firmly. Art has a lot of value, regardless of what medium it is delivered by. You know that movies and video games are digital art, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 7 months ago have you ever tried making it and selling it permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -4 points 7 months ago (5 children) Video games are more like a theme park set up by a group of people. Not all entertainment is art by default. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 3 points 7 months ago (4 children) It really depends on the video game I guess. There are a lot of video games, I would consider high art, but there are others, I wouldn't. That's really subjective though and other people will probably consider other games as art than me. But there is no way to objectively determine what art is. My personal definition is like I determine the gender of a person. If the artist says, it's art, then it is art. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -4 points 7 months ago (3 children) At a certain point aren't we just making stuff up to make ourselves feel better? Obviously someone can be wrong about their own gender much the same as someone can be wrong that what they created is art. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) Gender is a social construct and describes a certain way we choose to act and dress etc. So it's pretty much impossible to be wrong about your gender if you are honest about your ambitions. The only way I could see someone being "wrong" about their gender is if someone says they are a certain gender but deliberately chooses to act in accordance with another. But even then, the line is blurry, so it would be stupid to police, what "true" gender expression is supposed to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) Aren't you simply saying we can't be wrong about social constructs? Does that make them meaningless? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago I guess gender is pretty much meaningless in my opinion. It probably should be abolished. But also, it's fine if people care about their own gender. It's not that big of a deal as people make it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 5 points 7 months ago (7 children) I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. It's still sold, so it definitely has a market value. If you are talking about sociatal value, then I disagree even more firmly. Art has a lot of value, regardless of what medium it is delivered by. You know that movies and video games are digital art, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 7 months ago have you ever tried making it and selling it permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -4 points 7 months ago (5 children) Video games are more like a theme park set up by a group of people. Not all entertainment is art by default. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 3 points 7 months ago (4 children) It really depends on the video game I guess. There are a lot of video games, I would consider high art, but there are others, I wouldn't. That's really subjective though and other people will probably consider other games as art than me. But there is no way to objectively determine what art is. My personal definition is like I determine the gender of a person. If the artist says, it's art, then it is art. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -4 points 7 months ago (3 children) At a certain point aren't we just making stuff up to make ourselves feel better? Obviously someone can be wrong about their own gender much the same as someone can be wrong that what they created is art. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) Gender is a social construct and describes a certain way we choose to act and dress etc. So it's pretty much impossible to be wrong about your gender if you are honest about your ambitions. The only way I could see someone being "wrong" about their gender is if someone says they are a certain gender but deliberately chooses to act in accordance with another. But even then, the line is blurry, so it would be stupid to police, what "true" gender expression is supposed to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) Aren't you simply saying we can't be wrong about social constructs? Does that make them meaningless? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago I guess gender is pretty much meaningless in my opinion. It probably should be abolished. But also, it's fine if people care about their own gender. It's not that big of a deal as people make it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 7 months ago have you ever tried making it and selling it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -4 points 7 months ago (5 children) Video games are more like a theme park set up by a group of people. Not all entertainment is art by default. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 3 points 7 months ago (4 children) It really depends on the video game I guess. There are a lot of video games, I would consider high art, but there are others, I wouldn't. That's really subjective though and other people will probably consider other games as art than me. But there is no way to objectively determine what art is. My personal definition is like I determine the gender of a person. If the artist says, it's art, then it is art. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -4 points 7 months ago (3 children) At a certain point aren't we just making stuff up to make ourselves feel better? Obviously someone can be wrong about their own gender much the same as someone can be wrong that what they created is art. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) Gender is a social construct and describes a certain way we choose to act and dress etc. So it's pretty much impossible to be wrong about your gender if you are honest about your ambitions. The only way I could see someone being "wrong" about their gender is if someone says they are a certain gender but deliberately chooses to act in accordance with another. But even then, the line is blurry, so it would be stupid to police, what "true" gender expression is supposed to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) Aren't you simply saying we can't be wrong about social constructs? Does that make them meaningless? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago I guess gender is pretty much meaningless in my opinion. It probably should be abolished. But also, it's fine if people care about their own gender. It's not that big of a deal as people make it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 3 points 7 months ago (4 children) It really depends on the video game I guess. There are a lot of video games, I would consider high art, but there are others, I wouldn't. That's really subjective though and other people will probably consider other games as art than me. But there is no way to objectively determine what art is. My personal definition is like I determine the gender of a person. If the artist says, it's art, then it is art. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -4 points 7 months ago (3 children) At a certain point aren't we just making stuff up to make ourselves feel better? Obviously someone can be wrong about their own gender much the same as someone can be wrong that what they created is art. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) Gender is a social construct and describes a certain way we choose to act and dress etc. So it's pretty much impossible to be wrong about your gender if you are honest about your ambitions. The only way I could see someone being "wrong" about their gender is if someone says they are a certain gender but deliberately chooses to act in accordance with another. But even then, the line is blurry, so it would be stupid to police, what "true" gender expression is supposed to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) Aren't you simply saying we can't be wrong about social constructs? Does that make them meaningless? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago I guess gender is pretty much meaningless in my opinion. It probably should be abolished. But also, it's fine if people care about their own gender. It's not that big of a deal as people make it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -4 points 7 months ago (3 children) At a certain point aren't we just making stuff up to make ourselves feel better? Obviously someone can be wrong about their own gender much the same as someone can be wrong that what they created is art. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) Gender is a social construct and describes a certain way we choose to act and dress etc. So it's pretty much impossible to be wrong about your gender if you are honest about your ambitions. The only way I could see someone being "wrong" about their gender is if someone says they are a certain gender but deliberately chooses to act in accordance with another. But even then, the line is blurry, so it would be stupid to police, what "true" gender expression is supposed to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) Aren't you simply saying we can't be wrong about social constructs? Does that make them meaningless? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago I guess gender is pretty much meaningless in my opinion. It probably should be abolished. But also, it's fine if people care about their own gender. It's not that big of a deal as people make it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) Gender is a social construct and describes a certain way we choose to act and dress etc. So it's pretty much impossible to be wrong about your gender if you are honest about your ambitions. The only way I could see someone being "wrong" about their gender is if someone says they are a certain gender but deliberately chooses to act in accordance with another. But even then, the line is blurry, so it would be stupid to police, what "true" gender expression is supposed to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) Aren't you simply saying we can't be wrong about social constructs? Does that make them meaningless? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago I guess gender is pretty much meaningless in my opinion. It probably should be abolished. But also, it's fine if people care about their own gender. It's not that big of a deal as people make it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) Aren't you simply saying we can't be wrong about social constructs? Does that make them meaningless? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago I guess gender is pretty much meaningless in my opinion. It probably should be abolished. But also, it's fine if people care about their own gender. It's not that big of a deal as people make it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago I guess gender is pretty much meaningless in my opinion. It probably should be abolished. But also, it's fine if people care about their own gender. It's not that big of a deal as people make it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent