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[–] 52 points 7 months ago (10 children)

So, if you’ve every had to clean out the inside of your son’s penis, you might feel a little bit differently. Circumcision was considered a standard hygienic practice for decades. There are some marginal benefits to health and safety, particularly wrt transmission of STDs. But given the modernizations in health and safety (particularly condoms and milder skin-friendly soap) it definitely feels archaic.

It feels archaic because this is archaic bullshit. it takes about a second to pull back the foreskin and wash it with the rest of the penis/pubic area during a normal bath the bathing a baby/toddler, and teaching a child this very normal habit is very simple and easy. The vast majority of human males on Earth handle this very normal task, and have done so for the entire existence of humanity.

Just because the misinformation you just repeated was pushed by the American medical establishment for a few decades doesn't make it fact, and it has been widely repudiated by the medical establishments everywhere else, and even here in the US in recent decades.

It is no longer widely recommended, even in the US.

And your personal preference isn't really medically relevant.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    I think you are misinformed.

    Published by Nature in 2023.

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_ylo=2022&q=circumcision+benefits&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C14#d=gs_qabs&t=1776109496893&u=%23p%3De-tlmZfRSqAJ

    "What is the medical evidence on non-therapeutic child circumcision?"

    We conclude that non-therapeutic circumcision performed on otherwise healthy infants or children has little or no high-quality medical evidence to support its overall benefit. Moreover, it is associated with rare but avoidable harm and even occasional deaths. From the perspective of the individual boy, there is no medical justification for performing a circumcision prior to an age that he can assess the known risks and potential benefits, and choose to give or withhold informed consent himself.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Go ask around the medical community and you’ll discover quite a few didn’t handle it well. Kids don’t do a good job of washing.

    I have, and this isn't true. it's also not supported by the medical documentation available. Instructing kids, especially when you start from an early age, to develop proper hygiene habits is pretty easy. I've even borne witness to it many times personally, although I'm not necessarily offering my personal experience as proof.

    It’s highly relevant

    not when you're making claims about everyone everywhere. what matters there is evidence to back up your claims, which you have yet to provide.

    so, since you were the one who initially made such claims... please back them up from reliable sources such as the AMA, for example.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago* (5 children)

    OK kid come back when you have some actual evidence to back up your claims, lol

    Your anecdotal claims amount to a pile of nothing but personal preference in Internet story time. And while you are perfectly welcome to your personal opinions, you are not entitled to spread claims of “truth“ without backing it up with actual evidence from trusted sources.

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    What? Some guy you could’ve easily just made up to try to make a point in some anonymous Internet forum?

    That’s the point of verified scientific studies from trusted scientific institutions. I don’t have to take your word for it. I can take their word for it. And you still haven’t provided any actual evidence to back up any of your claims.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    ops image proves the claim of the title.

    whataboutism

    so, where are yours?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Another whataboutism, and another claim with zero proof to back it up

    Can you sing any other tunes? Because I’m getting really tired of this one…

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    It's highly relevant, since parents are the ultimate arbiters of their childrens' health and well-being.

    Precisely. Parents should protect their children from genital mutilation.

    EDIT: also, parents are NOT the ultimate arbiters. Judges and social services are, and can and should remove children subject to genital mutilation.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    And, unfortunately, for decades, particularly in the United States, parents were misled with medical misinformation that told them it was medically necessary (or “recommended”) to circumcise their babies. Thankfully, that is no longer the case. Unfortunately, it is still culturally reinforced, although that is fortunately fading.

    But it will likely be several more decades before that misinformation and cultural force finally fades completely.

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