▲ 658 ▼ Linux lays down the law on AI-generated code, says yes to Copilot, no to AI slop, and humans take the fall for mistakes — after months of fierce debate, Torvalds and maintainers come to an agreement (www.tomshardware.com) submitted 6 months ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/technology@lemmy.world 257 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world -12 points 6 months ago (8 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Traister101@lemmy.today 44 points 6 months ago (7 children) That's their problem. If they are using an LLM and cannot verify the output they shouldn't be using an LLM permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (3 children) Problem is that broadly most GenAI users don't take that risk seriously. So far no one can point to a court case where a rights holder successfully sued someone over LLM infringement. The biggest chance is getty and their case, with very blatantly obvious infringement. They lost in the UK, so that's not a good sign. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (2 children) Most GenAI users do not submit code to the Linux kernel project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) So why invite them to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Nobody is inviting them permalink fedilink source parent [–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago Nobody can verify that the output of an LLM isn’t from its training data except those with access to its training data. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ell1e@leminal.space 1 point 6 months ago* I agree. However, I think the natural conclusion is an LLM ban. See also here. permalink fedilink source parent [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world -7 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Traister101@lemmy.today 10 points 6 months ago Frankly I expect the kernel dudes to be pretty good about this, their style guides alone are quite strick and any funny business in a PR that isn't marked correctly is I think likely a ban from making PRs at all. How it worked beforehand, as already stated by others is the author says "I promise this follows the rules" and that's basically the end of it. Giving an official avenue for generated code is a great way to reduce the negatives of it that'll happen anyway. We know this from decades of real life experience trying to ban things like alcohol or drugs, time after time providing a legal avenue with some rules makes things safer. Why wouldn't we see a similar effect here? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Traister101@lemmy.today 44 points 6 months ago (7 children) That's their problem. If they are using an LLM and cannot verify the output they shouldn't be using an LLM permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (3 children) Problem is that broadly most GenAI users don't take that risk seriously. So far no one can point to a court case where a rights holder successfully sued someone over LLM infringement. The biggest chance is getty and their case, with very blatantly obvious infringement. They lost in the UK, so that's not a good sign. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (2 children) Most GenAI users do not submit code to the Linux kernel project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) So why invite them to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Nobody is inviting them permalink fedilink source parent [–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago Nobody can verify that the output of an LLM isn’t from its training data except those with access to its training data. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ell1e@leminal.space 1 point 6 months ago* I agree. However, I think the natural conclusion is an LLM ban. See also here. permalink fedilink source parent [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world -7 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Traister101@lemmy.today 10 points 6 months ago Frankly I expect the kernel dudes to be pretty good about this, their style guides alone are quite strick and any funny business in a PR that isn't marked correctly is I think likely a ban from making PRs at all. How it worked beforehand, as already stated by others is the author says "I promise this follows the rules" and that's basically the end of it. Giving an official avenue for generated code is a great way to reduce the negatives of it that'll happen anyway. We know this from decades of real life experience trying to ban things like alcohol or drugs, time after time providing a legal avenue with some rules makes things safer. Why wouldn't we see a similar effect here? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (3 children) Problem is that broadly most GenAI users don't take that risk seriously. So far no one can point to a court case where a rights holder successfully sued someone over LLM infringement. The biggest chance is getty and their case, with very blatantly obvious infringement. They lost in the UK, so that's not a good sign. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (2 children) Most GenAI users do not submit code to the Linux kernel project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) So why invite them to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Nobody is inviting them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (2 children) Most GenAI users do not submit code to the Linux kernel project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) So why invite them to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Nobody is inviting them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) So why invite them to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Nobody is inviting them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Nobody is inviting them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago Nobody can verify that the output of an LLM isn’t from its training data except those with access to its training data. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ell1e@leminal.space 1 point 6 months ago* I agree. However, I think the natural conclusion is an LLM ban. See also here. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world -7 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Traister101@lemmy.today 10 points 6 months ago Frankly I expect the kernel dudes to be pretty good about this, their style guides alone are quite strick and any funny business in a PR that isn't marked correctly is I think likely a ban from making PRs at all. How it worked beforehand, as already stated by others is the author says "I promise this follows the rules" and that's basically the end of it. Giving an official avenue for generated code is a great way to reduce the negatives of it that'll happen anyway. We know this from decades of real life experience trying to ban things like alcohol or drugs, time after time providing a legal avenue with some rules makes things safer. Why wouldn't we see a similar effect here? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Traister101@lemmy.today 10 points 6 months ago Frankly I expect the kernel dudes to be pretty good about this, their style guides alone are quite strick and any funny business in a PR that isn't marked correctly is I think likely a ban from making PRs at all. How it worked beforehand, as already stated by others is the author says "I promise this follows the rules" and that's basically the end of it. Giving an official avenue for generated code is a great way to reduce the negatives of it that'll happen anyway. We know this from decades of real life experience trying to ban things like alcohol or drugs, time after time providing a legal avenue with some rules makes things safer. Why wouldn't we see a similar effect here? permalink fedilink source parent