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[–] -4 points 7 months ago (19 children)

À belief isn’t rooted in reality. It is a concept close to religions, relying on faith rather than evidence. Are you close to religion yourself maybe?

I’m calling from being responsible and to stop the cancer that are religions. The good it once brought is now inferior to the atrocities it sustains so it is time to call for its end.

That is the stands I take. Nothing related to beliefs.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Do you not realize how much "belief" is in science?

    Someone believed in the Higgs Boson before it was proven.

    We still today believe in the big bang theory, not because it's been proven, but because there's a consensus that says it's the most plausible explanation.

    Science still doesn't tell us even what to believe regarding the origins of life and consciousness.

    We believe in dark matter and dark energy, not because they've been directly observed, but because they're the best possible explanations that we have at this time for certain phenomena that we believe to be their effects.

    We believe that there must be some overarching principles that can unite the formulas of quantum physics and general relativity, but no one knows what they are.

    Often in medicine, decisions are made based on what the doctors believe, even when there isn't 100% certainty.

    So stop pretending there's no such thing as belief in science, because there absolutely is.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    I purposely avoided bringing science in this. You did to match your own narrative. No need for science when everywhere around us, plainly visible, religions are causing wars and sufferings.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I would expect « worldviews » to be rooted in reality and science rather than in mysticism.

    This is you bringing science into this.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Let’s go back and stick with reality and facts. My bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    We're talking about worldviews which is just another name for your beliefs about the world. Whatever you base your worldview on is what you believe. That is a basic fact about how words work.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    You purposely avoided an angle which plainly shows the error of your assertions? And you're accusing me of "matching my own narrative" when I show those errors with that angle which you ostensibly avoided?

    Also, these are your literal words:

    In addition I would expect « worldviews » to be rooted in reality and science rather than in mysticism.

    So no, you didn't avoid bringing science into this.

    Also:

    No need for science when everywhere around us, plainly visible, religions are causing wars and sufferings.

    Bold words for someone trying to rationalize forcing your worldview on others by claiming it's scientific and therefore deserves an exception from the "don't force your worldview on others" rule...

    Have you considered competing in the Olympics? Because those are some impressive mental gymnastics...

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Heyaaaa now you’re using fallacies :) I’ll gladly go for olympics if there was a fitting discipline yes.

    By all means keep defending Rhodes antiquated systems that promote abuse and suffering. I know where we both stand and it suffice to me; you’re never going to change my views on that.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Really? Point out the fallacy that I used? Cause I've already pointed out several that you have.

    I'm not defending any systems, I'm defending people's rights to believe in the worldviews of their own choosing, and categorically rejecting any system that would force one set of beliefs on everyone else.

    systems that promote abuse and suffering.

    You think atheists can't promote abuse and suffering? What about the Bolsheviks who committed genocide in the name of purging religion? You support that suffering, because the people you don't like are the ones suffering?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Oooohh you just don't know what words mean. Okay. I'll let someone with more patience for stupidity handle this. Good day to you.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Fresh from the Oxford Dictionary ;

    • a strong feeling that something/somebody exists or is true; confidence that something/somebody is good or right
    • an opinion about something; something that you think is true

    But please be my guest and educate me.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    So... quantum gravity theory, string theory, unified field theory, big bang theory, big crunch theory, and dark matter/dark energy are all beliefs then and in your opinion should therefore be banned?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Those are a tad further than opinions and feelings I suspect. And also are absolutely unrelated to how religions are generating suffering and should be abolished.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I suspect

    Well you might want to do more than just "suspect," because according to the definition of "belief" that you provided, those are still beliefs.

    Also, the majority of suffering being "generated by religion" are due to religions trying to force their worldview and set of beliefs on others, which is precisely what you are trying to do.

    In other words, the suffering is caused because they want to eliminate people who have a different set of beliefs from their own. Again, which is exactly what you're attempting to do.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    And you believe this definition to be true?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Nope. I don’t need to believe in them, they just are. Produced by persons undoubtedly smarter than I am.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    So you trust this definition because experts have told you it is so?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    How are agreed upon definitions remotely similar to religious beliefs ?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Religious beliefs are agreed upon systems of opinions about philosophy. Definitions are agreed upon opinions of what words mean.

    Both were constructed by humans to better understand and communicate about our world and our place in it.

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