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[–] 187 points 7 months ago* (86 children)

Disposable vapes are genuinely evil. With the lithium inside the batteries they are significantly more dangerous than throwing a cigarette out your car window. They have chips inside them with metals that can be recycled and they are made of a hard plastic that'll be around for thousands if years. Whenever I mention this to people I know they agree with me that it's evil but continue to use disposable vapes because it's more convenient. I keep telling my roommates that it's massively cheaper to get a refillable one and they always agree but never buy one. Every time I go to the vape shop to get juice and coils I drop off a literal tub of disposable vapes from my roommates.

I'm so tired of people being complacent in this and I'm tired of making this rant. People will get nervous about batteries when they see a phone explode in someone's pocket but they'll throw that shit on the ground or in the trash without a second thought. Just go back to smoking if you wanna throw shit on the ground. It's better for the environment and public safety that way anyway.

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    Have you seen this shit?

    Factory workers test 1000 of these contraptions per day.

    it's truly evil.

    Human beings will get extinct due choosing convenience over sustainability.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, I'm not one for banning things willy nilly, but disposable vapes need banned. I'd much rather people vape a liquid refilled repairable vape like the kids used when I was young, but even pod type vapes are better. This is just reprehensibly avoidable e waste.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    If you're familiar with how regulation of the nicotine-industry in the u.s. works then you probably know disposable vapes polluting the streets can be directly connected to the regulation of vape-juice and "e-cigareettes" from a few years back when the fda banned disposable flavored cartridges like menthol.

    no more disposable cartridges now but lots of disposable whole e-smoking devices.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yeah it's wild to me that the ban wasn't a blanket "no product may be sold containing both nicotine in psychoactive doses and pleasant flavorings other than menthol or those found naturally in tobacco or intended to recreate the flavor of tobacco may be sold". Like they could've killed those gross flavored swishers that exist solely for making blunts while they were at it.

    Like, I don't mind a "buy a flavor bottle and it has room for you to mix in a bottle of one of the various concentrations of unflavored nicotine sold right next to it" situation, but that level of inconvenience is good. It always forces you to choose your dose and means that when kids get ahold of the stuff it's easier for them to get ahold of the nonaddictive version. What we have now is a bunch of e waste that also ensures that there's a lot of access to nicotine for children.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I vape cannabis. Whenever I go to the dispensary, it always surprises me how many disposable products there are. Some strains it's not even possible to buy them as non-disposable carts at some of the IL dispensaries I go to. I always try to pick standalone carts, but I have also had it where I've ordered a cart online and they ended up trying to give me a disposable replacement without asking.

    It's nuts to me that people are buying these rechargeable things with batteries to throw out as a default (it's definitely seems more popular than re-usable carts at dispensaries I've been to). Why wouldn't you want your own device with your settings saved if you vape versus using some random piece of shit attached to the very expensive goop you're smoking? I don't get disposables at all. You start saving money after 3 or so carts if you buy your own battery.

    Even worse: if you wanted to recycle one of them many are designed with housings that make it nearly impossible to open them up and replace the cartridge.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (51 children)
  • [–] 52 points 7 months ago (45 children)

    Using it to quit smoking is a good idea, and the only one actually.

    But disposable !? FUCK ME this world is doomed...

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (6 children)
    1. Vapes don't typically get hot enough to break glycerin down into DHA. The normal temperature range is 400-450F while glycerin breaks down at 536F

    2. That's an invitro study which is basically worthless.

    3. That's a valid point about Chinese eliquid, which is part of why disposables aren't a good option.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Bro, they were firing old school clearomizers with a starting wattage that's at the top of what's recommended. You can tell by the conversation graphs because EC3 is a more modern tank and it's an order of magnitude lower.

    There's a reason why clearomizers didn't stay around long. They designed this study to produce DHA. You can tell because there was no change in EC3 across the temperatures, yet they scaled their graph to make it look comparable to the clearomizers. And the levels in EC3 were so low that it could have easily been machine error given the way they had to measure it.

    The amount EC3 produced is 50x lower than the lowest amount the mice were exposed to.

    If you use a temperature controlled mod, this is all a non-issue.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I've been vaping for 15 years now. Lungs are perfectly healthy. But I make my own unflavored e-liquid with nicotine purchased from a pharmaceutical producer so I know exactly what's in it

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I remember reading somewhere that vaping is more addictive than smoking. Sure it is not as bad as smoking health wise but the bar is set extremely low.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    I believe it, it can have a much higher nicotine concentration if you want it to and vape juice is tasty.

    The one saving grace of cigarettes are that they taste like garbage so it's harder to get proper addicted to them. But a good vape will taste like candy even to a non smoker, so you can get drunk with your buddy one night and take a couple rips off of his watermelon flavored vape and exit that night with an intense craving for more, ask me how I know.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    it can be a better method for some people than the other extant methods.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    The grand majority of people vaping aren't quitting smoking and probably never smoked

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    The NHS actually prescribes them.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Right, but you said they didn't help with addiction because no one prescribed them for it. I've been personally responsible for getting about 20 people off of cigarettes by introducing them to vaping with an open system. And many of them went on to quit vaping with relative ease.

    Vaping was created for the purpose of making it easy stopping smoking and to reduce harm. This was way before disposable vapes were a thing, back when people were modifying flashlights to heat coils.

    It's a highly effective method to stop smoking because it not only does it contain the mildly addictive nicotine, it also replaces the action of smoking which is the truly addictive part.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    you always can choose to start or not. beyond that, addiction may or may not set in. but people can always choose to start and they can always choose their method of use.

    weird how when it comes to tobacco people always think there are no decisions. have you never thought about it, like with your brain?

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Nicotine on its own is about as addictive as caffeine.

    It's the delivery system that the mental addiction is tethered to, not the substance.

    Regardless, multiple studies have shown that vaping is a successful method to quit smoking, and that vaping is significantly less harmful than smoking.

    Shit, even the heavy metal study that was misreported to sound scary had Vapes with concentrations that were either orders of magnitude lower than smoking, lower than the OSHA limits, and in some cases lower than atmospheric levels.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It's almost like the tobacco industry doesn't have your well being at heart. Vaping is actually way more profitable than smoking since there is less social stigma around it. Vaping companies market themselves as clean and healthy but in reality they are still preying off people who are hopelessly addicted.

    Your smoking "habit" (addiction) will go away but it gets replaced rather than removed.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Used to be a pack a day smoker. Personally I don't think it's better for my health, but I don't smell like an ash tray so I got that going for me.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    It did at first but after a couple years of vaping it basically feels the same now. Even got the smokers cough back even though I'm just vaping.

    To be fair, I've also gained like 40 lbs so it's entirely possible I'm just outta shape lol (and yes I'm currently working on fixing that)

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Seriously? That’s wild because I almost never see anything but disposable. Everyone everywhere seems to like them, rare for me to see a refillable in the wild.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Refillable these days have become the vaping equivalent of the self roll and pipe smoking. It didn't used to be like that. That said these days I mostly just see people smoking a cig or a joint if they're smoking in public

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It would really help a lot if gas stations actually carried refillable tanks. Shit, even the replaceable pods are better.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Well, they did have the pods more widely available back when I started vaping to quit smoking. Unfortunately, big tobacco companies lobbied to get all the pod flavors banned and now the only ones you can get at gas stations are menthol and tobacco flavor which both taste awful. Disposable vapes filled the market gap that was created and now we have disposable vapes with lithium batteries plaguing the places cigarette butts used to be.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    That wasn't big tobacco, actually. Big T fought against the FDA on it.

    The reason the FDA went so hard on it is because states had already spent their expected revenue from tobacco taxes and vaping cut into that heavily.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Easier said than done. I used to smoke a pack a day for 10 years and I've tried to quit entirely many times in the past. I've tried every method there is out there and it never sticks. If anything, vaping has helped me cut down on my nicotine input significantly because sometimes I don't even use it for half the day and having it next to me is enough to get rid of cravings.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, surprisingly. But it's just vaping now. I started vaping to quit smoking but you have to account for half of gen z getting hooked on juuls awhile back. When those first became popular I was more surprised when I found people that didn't vape.

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